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Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Sea of red View PostWell, we can't ignore her because she's a mod, but that's not the important point. The important point is that she follows people into threads to bait them into conflict - she has baited me in two separate other threads concerning abortion, so I just gave her this one so she'd stop. This lady knows no boundaries and she just brutally trolls anyone she wants to payback for things that happened in previous threads, or has vendetta against - just look at the pages in her post history. And honestly, she babbles to herself like a deranged person. Look at her posts to me, she's going on about how 'you haven't answered my points yet!' as if she thinks we are debating.
There's something mentally off with this woman in a number of ways,Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 04-03-2017, 04:34 PM."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Roy View PostSo you won't state that killing an enemy's kids so that they don't grow up is unacceptable.
You wrote that "I sure wouldn't defend a Christian that came out in support of killing kids." But not only do you defend Christians who support killing kids, you are one yourself.
1. If a population has been effectively weaponized in a war and lines between civilian and military. Children may very well be legit targets that threaten your life.
2. Killing someone for no real reason is a huge issue.
Of course, I have explained this to you already and you merely ignore it and repeat yourself is a sad attempt to shove words into my mouth so you can make me say things I never said.Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 04-03-2017, 04:36 PM."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostThe majority of people are religious. That does not mean they are people because they are religious.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...bout-abortion/
Hence, it is reasonable to conclude that for the majority of Christians abortion is primarily a religious issue, not a scientific one as some Christians try to spin it.
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Originally posted by Sea of red View PostWell, we can't ignore her because she's a mod, but that's not the important point. The important point is that she follows people into threads to bait them into conflict - she has baited me in two separate other threads concerning abortion, so I just gave her this one so she'd stop. This lady knows no boundaries and she just brutally trolls anyone she wants to payback for things that happened in previous threads, or has vendetta against - just look at the pages in her post history. And honestly, she babbles to herself like a deranged person. Look at her posts to me, she's going on about how 'you haven't answered my points yet!' as if she thinks we are debating.
There's something mentally off with this woman in a number of ways,
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostJust ignore her click-baiting, James, I've been doing it for years. It's the only way to deal with the quagmire she engenders.
Aside from her trolling, she has to be one of the most delusional narcissists I've every come across on the internet. She really thinks that she has good debate skills, that her questions are difficult for her opponents to answer, and that she's a compelling thinker that is taken seriously. It's actually embarrassing to watch her get in over her head again and again, and never learn her lessons, never noticing how nobody takes her seriously at all.
It's one of the most interesting cases of narcissism I've ever see.
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Because pre-brain formation is not biologically congruent with post-cessation of brain activity. Meaning what happens before the brain forms is not the same as what happens after it dies.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThis puzzles me: Do you know you are lying here, or are you literally that stupid and that ignorant that you think you're telling the truth?
Even an average person who'd spent 5 minutes studying the abortion debates would know this was totally untrue, so I don't understand what you think you are gaining by making statements that absolutely everyone knows are false and wrong.
That statement is much more on-point and at least shows a rudimentary grasp of the issues on your part.
And we're back to you making statements that everyone knows are ridiculously false. Are you that stupid, or are you deliberately lying and if so, why?
Wow, that random claim came out of left-field.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostI am telling the truth. When the pro-abort side tosses out "it's just a clump of cells" on a regular basis, they show how biologically ignorant they are.
Oh bull crap. Anyone who has even made one dissenting comment on abortion has heard the ignorant "it's only a clump of cells" crap your side hauls out like it's some canned text on a forum.
Sorry, Mr. Snob, but I have much more than a "rudimentary" grasp on the issue.
If you know that someone is a distinct member of our species, and you STILL think it is OK to wantonly eliminate them at the leisure of another, then I apologize for calling you ignorant. You're a disgusting psychopath.
It's been discussed for several pages in this thread, so no, it was not out of left-field. Keep up with the arguments or bow out.
Originally posted by firstfloor View PostYou can think of a blastocyst as a building block. Just as a brick is not a house, a blastocyst is not a human being. And you are not entitled to your own definitions or words already in common use.Originally posted by Tassman View PostHow can a clump of cells, without a functioning brain, be "innocent"...or guilty if it comes to that. Typical emotional claptrap!
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostBecause pre-brain formation is not biologically congruent with post-cessation of brain activity. Meaning what happens before the brain forms is not the same as what happens after it dies.
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostWhen the pro-abort side tosses out "it's just a clump of cells" on a regular basis, they show how biologically ignorant they are.
I have much more than a "rudimentary" grasp on the issue."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThe question is whether or not a non-viable entity, without a functioning brain is entitled to same rights and protection as you and I. Why would it be?That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostIt is a clump of cells, it's not biologically ignorant to say that.
No, you've shown your grasp of the issues is significantly worse than rudimentary.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostBecause it is a unique member of our species. That it hasn't attained the maturity to achieve a particular developmental stage of viability or specialization of a particular cellular function shouldn't affect that. It's a fully self-contained and self-directing living organism of our species.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostIt will be a "unique member of our species" in due course, but not yet.
It can't be said to be that before it has the necessary brain function to be a viable entity.
Potential is not the same as actuality.
So, again, why would it be entitled to same rights and protection as you and I?That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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