What is in debate, did everything have its origin with intelligent design. What to space-time-matter, non life to life, life to intelligence to intelligent design which we as humans think we do.
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There is intelligent design.
. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostWhat is in debate, did everything have its origin with intelligent design. What to space-time-matter, non life to life, life to intelligence to intelligent design which we as humans think we do.
There is no objective evidence nor falsifiable hypothesis nor theory that could objectively demonstrate 'Intelligent Design.'
The existence of a Source some call God(s) can neither be proved nor disproved, therefore the claim that there is an 'Intelligent Designer,' can neither be proved nor disproved. These matters remain a subject of one's belief and faith.Last edited by shunyadragon; 03-17-2014, 04:58 PM.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostGod is a Creator, not an engineer, nor a designer.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostCan you explain to me how creation works with out some engineering or a substitute for same, and without design?
All you need is faith, brother!
NORMWhen the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land. - Bishop Desmond Tutu
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostCan you explain to me how creation works with out some engineering or a substitute for same, and without design?
What could you possible mean by 'a substitute for the same?'
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI believe God Created all of existence, . . .. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostGod created His own existence? That is absurd. A god has to exist in order to create anything. Existence has to precede such a god. Therefore such a god is not needed to create any existence.I'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by Carrikature View PostOr existence and non-existence have no meaning when applied to God.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostGod created His own existence? That is absurd. A god has to exist in order to create anything. Existence has to precede such a god. Therefore such a god is not needed to create any existence.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostGod is the Creator, not some human engineer nor designer. The Will of God is all that there is needed for Creation. Do you really thank you can explain Creation from the fallible human perspective?
What could you possible mean by 'a substitute for the same?'Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostI did not suggest that any "human" understanding - engineering or design- was responsible for creation. I suspect you are aware of that. Creation was not some magic trick, it was the result of God's perfect knowledge and understanding.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThis is ok from a sound theist perspective, but the arguments using anthropomorphic human concepts of intelligent design and engineering, like Plantinga's are bogus, and unscientific. See Dover Trial.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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