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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI believe you had posted this.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Tassman View Post...whereby Judge John E. Jones III issued the decision in the case and in his conclusion he wrote:
"The proper application of both the endorsement and Lemon tests to the facts of this case makes it abundantly clear that the Board's ID Policy violates the Establishment Clause. In making this determination, we have addressed the seminal question of whether ID is science. We have concluded that it is not, and moreover that ID cannot uncouple itself from its creationist, and thus religious, antecedentsLast edited by shunyadragon; 03-21-2014, 10:38 AM.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI believe God Created all of existence, but I acknowledge that this is a belief. The concept of Intelligent Design is awkward and anthropomorphic. God is a Creator, not an engineer, nor a designer.
There is no objective evidence nor falsifiable hypothesis nor theory that could objectively demonstrate 'Intelligent Design.'
The existence of a Source some call God(s) can neither be proved nor disproved, therefore the claim that there is an 'Intelligent Designer,' can neither be proved nor disproved. These matters remain a subject of one's belief and faith.
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Originally posted by Zxcv Bnm View PostLaw of biogenesis : life only comes from life.
[Edit] It's not a law just because religious apologists say it is.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI believe God Created all of existence, but I acknowledge that this is a belief.Last edited by firstfloor; 05-01-2014, 03:24 AM.
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I appreciate your willingness to fall back on bare assertion as a support to your arguments, but I think the Muslims do that better than you, at least since al-Ghazali.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThis is a first for me. I have never heard about this so called 'Law.'
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post????? There is no law of biogenesis in science. Are you making this up?!?!?!?
The problem is, the foundation of evolutionary science has established its self on the belief this law has been violated (at least once) in the universe, and without this law of biogenesis being violated there can not be an origins of life hypothesis without intelligent design. Because we have a true dichotomy here, either life in the universe came into existence by biogenesis (another sentient life) or it came into existence by abiogenesis (non-sentient matter), no third hypothesis can possibly exist. So if evolutionary science categorically rejects one side of a dichotomy, they have no choice but to accept the only other alternative, even if there is an immutable law that states otherwise
Atheistic evolutionary science has painted its self into a theoretical corner that they can't possibly get out of without getting their "feet" all sticky and wet
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Originally posted by IDScience View PostOf course there is a law of biogenesis,
Originally posted by IDScience View Postjust because its never referenced by evolutionary scientists does not mean it does not exist.
Originally posted by IDScience View PostBecause in our universe life is only observed to come from life
Originally posted by IDScience View Postnever do we observe evidence to the contrary, this proves its a law until proven otherwise.
Originally posted by IDScience View PostThe problem is, the foundation of evolutionary science has established its self on the belief this law has been violated (at least once)
Originally posted by IDScience View Postwithout this law of biogenesis being violated there can not be an origins of life hypothesis without intelligent design.
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