What would it take for the atheist to believe in God?

[Machinist]

I'll read your stuff more carefully. Maybe.

It can often be fragmented and free associative. That is not due to drug use, as I do not use drugs. It's more because of a neurological disorder.

I have good days and bad days.

[Cow Poke]

It can often be fragmented and free associative. That is not due to drug use, as I do not use drugs. It's more because of a neurological disorder.

I don't have that excuse.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

The text doesn't say, and it's not important to the story.

I know it doesn't and I know it is not. However, you wrote that

He often had others prepare His matters for Him. Is that the best you could do?


And:

"And there were far more disciples than "the 12", and others, like Mary and Martha, who ministered to Him."

None of which is supported by the text of John 21.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

When you can't provide textual evidence for your own assertion?

Not playing.

I have quoted John 21. You are the one trying to introduce other characters into that text.

[Cow Poke]

I know it doesn't and I know it is not. However, you wrote that

He often had others prepare His matters for Him. Is that the best you could do?


And:

"And there were far more disciples than "the 12", and others, like Mary and Martha, who ministered to Him."

None of which is supported by the text of John 21.

As much as you would love to restrict the discussion to John 21, the things I mentioned were most certainly included in the New Testament.

The goofy notions up with which you came are not.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

As much as you would love to restrict the discussion to John 21, the things I mentioned were most certainly included in the New Testament.

What things? Cooking breakfast?

[Cow Poke]

What things? Cooking breakfast?

You really are such a dishonest little snit. But, yeah, "breakfast" rather than your goofy "barbie" or your imagined shopping trips.

[Sparko]

You really are such a dishonest little snit. But, yeah, "breakfast" rather than your goofy "barbie" or your imagined shopping trips.

When Jesus shopped at Aldi, did he get his quarter for the cart from a fish?

[Cow Poke]

When Jesus shopped at Aldi, did he get his quarter for the cart from a fish?

And did He go through the self-check lane? (Maybe that's why there were no reports of Him on his shopping spree)

[Markus River]

That's pretty much the opposite of what I said

No, that's exactly what you said. And the only reason you don't recognise that fact is that, for you, "confessing, or not confessing, doctrine" and "salvation" are real world things that you believe, will materially affect you. No wonder you can't see the piece of christian mummery you and Machinist are bickering over, for what it is.

but you don't seem too terribly concerned about truth.

Actually, I do. Your problem is that when you, and most other believers, see the word truth, you always see; TRUTH

[Cow Poke]

No, that's exactly what you said. And the only reason you don't recognise that fact is that, for you, "confessing, or not confessing, doctrine" and "salvation" are real world things that you believe, will materially affect you. No wonder you can't see the piece of christian mummery you and Machinist are bickering over, for what it is.

As much as you'd love to stir up division, Machinist and I aren't bickering over anything - I misread him, admitted it, and apologized.

I may have misunderstood what you wrote in that last message - not sure where you're going with this. And I think I made the mistake of assuming you were not a Christian.

My apologies.

[Sparko]

And did He go through the self-check lane? (Maybe that's why there were no reports of Him on his shopping spree)

Maybe he stayed at home and used Door Dash?

[Sparko]

As much as you'd love to stir up division, Machinist and I aren't bickering over anything - I misread him, admitted it, and apologized.

I think I am a Hobbesist.

[Markus River]

As much as you'd love to stir up division

Stir up division? Me? Wow! It's as if the Reformation was just a minor disagreement over inconsequential theological points.

Machinist and I aren't bickering over anything - I misread him, admitted it, and apologized.

Very big of you. Though it's hard to see how you could have missed that Machinist is a christian. Especially when his profile says; Faith: Christian. But then, I suppose the adherents of the Westboro Baptist Church consider themselves christian as well. I'm not sure how long you would have misread me, had I described myself as such.

Then again, I'm constantly amused at how I have to describe my "faith" here as "atheist". The correct answer is of course "none". I don't require any faith not to believe in the existence of god(s).

[Cow Poke]

Stir up division? Me? Wow! It's as if the Reformation was just a minor disagreement over inconsequential theological points.



Very big of you. Though it's hard to see how you could have missed that Machinist is a christian. Especially when his profile says; Faith: Christian. But then, I suppose the adherents of the Westboro Baptist Church consider themselves christian as well. I'm not sure how long you would have misread me, had I described myself as such.

Then again, I'm constantly amused at how I have to describe my "faith" here as "atheist". The correct answer is of course "none". I don't require any faith not to believe in the existence of god(s).

I made an error.
I apologized.
Nobody is forcing you to post here.