What would it take for the atheist to believe in God?

[Machinist]

What annoys me are these imagined implications that if you hold to this or that doctrine, or have this view or that, that in some way it must interfere with that persons walk with God. A belief in Evolution would however, interfere negatively in a persons life,( the person who believes in evolution,) if they are continually in communion with people who believe that said belief will affect how this person develops and grows in the likeness of Christ. I do not believe that if a person believes in evolution, and they either A.) keep it to themselves or B)simply hang out and do fellowship with other like minded people, that that person will not grow in the fruits of the Spirit just as much as any other Christian who holds to some other various and sundry doctrine.

The average Calvinist, for instance, has no greater or lesser access to the inner development of Peace, Patience, Love, Longsuffering, etc. than that of a devout Catholic. The same goes for those who believe in evolution, or don't believe in a literal 2nd coming of Christ, or do not subscribe to biblical inerrancy, etc.

[Cow Poke]

From where did he obtain it?

The text doesn't say, and it's not important to the story.

No my reference to Jesus doing his shopping in the market was with regard to there being no extant record of anyone noting that a recently crucified Jew had been seen out and about shopping.

So, with absolutely no clue as to where he obtained the goods, you jump to the conclusion that he went shopping in the market. No record of Jesus ever doing any shopping at all. No surprise, then, that nobody saw Him shopping.

You really are a petty little individual.

[Cow Poke]

I am asking you to provide textual evidence for your assertion.

When you can't provide textual evidence for your own assertion?

Not playing.

[Cow Poke]

I love it when christian soldiers line up in their serried, doctrinal ranks. Fully loaded prayer books in their earnest, though slightly apprehensive hands. Ready to do battle over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, or some other arkane piece of contradictory christian mummery.

Heaven or Hell? Him or me? I can see that to people like you, getting the answer right is of no small importance. Given the consequences you bear for guessing wrong, I'd say a hundred years war is the minimum necessary to resolve the question.

That's pretty much the opposite of what I said, but you don't seem too terribly concerned about truth.

[Markus River]

I'll see your regeneration and raise you a resurrection.

Yeah, but we're not talking about you. We're talking about me, the godless atheist. You don't get to cherry pick my miracle.

Back from the dead schticks have been fooling the gullible of centuries. The trick is to make sure the so and so is actually dead in the first place It's easily faked. And certainly a lot easier than faking a missing arm / leg.

[Markus River]

There is a very very long long long way from believing in God, to confessing the correct doctrines necessary to keep your butt out of hell.

I don't believe a person needs to "confess the correct doctrines" to be saved.

Maybe so, but there won't be any Christian evolutionists getting past St. Peters Gate.

I disagree. That's not a condition for Salvation.

Do you think that accepting or not accepting a scientific theory is a salvific issue? Something that your very salvation rests on?

I love it when christian soldiers line up in their serried, doctrinal ranks. Fully loaded prayer books in their earnest, though slightly apprehensive hands. Ready to do battle over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, or some other arkane piece of contradictory christian mummery.

Heaven or Hell? Him or me? I can see that to people like you, getting the answer right is of no small importance. Given the consequences you bear for guessing wrong, I'd say a hundred years war is the minimum necessary to resolve the question.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

At this point, it's quite obvious you're doing that thing where you've been shown to be wrong, and now you're just being stupid.

I am asking you to provide textual evidence for your assertion.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

We know he had some. We can assume it wasn't enough for the whole group, as He asked them to add to it.

From where did he obtain it?

And you jump to the conclusion that he bought it at market -- that was your initial assumption, based on no evidence whatsoever.

No my reference to Jesus doing his shopping in the market was with regard to there being no extant record of anyone noting that a recently crucified Jew had been seen out and about shopping.

[Sparko]

He certainly didn't call it "a barbie". And he asked the fishermen to add some of their fish to it, so He didn't necessarily have to have a whole bunch for the group.

You really ought to read the story, not just stupidly quote some worn out aspersions of it.

Wait, are you sure Jesus didn't order the fish and bread from Amazon?

[Cow Poke]

How do you know?

At this point, it's quite obvious you're doing that thing where you've been shown to be wrong, and now you're just being stupid.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

What an idiotic remark. You are doing that "woodenly literal" thing again in order to try to reject a statement but ending up sounding like a moron instead.

You wrote "It is taught from Genesis to Revelation that men are sinners and need God to save them." Clearly it is not taught "from Genesis to Revelation".

To include the entire Hebrew bible into such a ludicrously over-simplistic comment is really rather amusing.

No, Paul taught what he was taught by the apostles, and what he saw and heard when he met the resurrected Jesus.

You need to go back and read the authentic letters of Paul critically and objectively. In those may be discerned the tensions between Paul and those men who knew the individual we have come to refer to as Jesus of Nazareth.

[Cow Poke]

The amount he had is immaterial.

We know he had some. We can assume it wasn't enough for the whole group, as He asked them to add to it.

He clearly obtained what he had [plus the bread] from somewhere.

And you jump to the conclusion that he bought it at market -- that was your initial assumption, based on no evidence whatsoever.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

He certainly didn't call it "a barbie".

How do you know?

And he asked the fishermen to add some of their fish to it, so He didn't necessarily have to have a whole bunch for the group.

The amount he had is immaterial.

He clearly obtained what he had [plus the bread] from somewhere.

[Cow Poke]

Ah but what did Jesus call it?

He certainly didn't call it "a barbie". And he asked the fishermen to add some of their fish to it, so He didn't necessarily have to have a whole bunch for the group.

You really ought to read the story, not just stupidly quote some worn out aspersions of it.

[Machinist]

Do you think that accepting or not accepting a scientific theory is a salvific issue? Something that your very salvation rests on?

I was just being facetious. No, I do not believe that belief in evolution and accepting Jesus into the Heart are at odds on any level, nor is there any implications as to spiritual growth of the Fruit Bearing Christian because he or she interprets reality through an evolutionary lens.

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