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Interpretation the Trinity is polytheistic
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThe earliest forms of Judaism were mixed with Ugarite and Sumarian polytheism including extracts from their cuniform texts and names for gods
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...naanite-Psalms
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...ight=cuneiform
You're a glutton for trouble, but good for a laugh I suppose.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostI think you misunderstand robrecht's "accusation" (and to be clear, this thread is mostly a reply to robrecht). He's mostly against the polemical tone you take towards those who self-identify as Monotheists. But I'm sure he'll be more than happy to correct you (not that you'll listen, of course).
I am not a believer, therefore I have no obligation to tow the line of the Christian theologians and authorities that argue for the validity of the Trinity as true description of the nature of God.
Concerning Michael C. Rea's paper, I'm thinking most "Social-Trinitarians" would take major issue with what he hand waves away as "superficial differences" between Amun-Re theology and ST-Christianity on page 141. That said, Rea is a Christian philosopher, and he does not reject the Trinity altogether. Far from it as your own citation points out,
"If, however, there are interpretations of the doctrine of the Trinity which (while avoiding the heresy of modalism) are consistent with monotheism, [And I think that there are: see Brower and Rea (2005).] . . ."
Rea's issue is with various common defenses of the Trinity, particularly those that he refers to as "Social Trinitarianism", and most version of "Relative-Identity Trinitarianism", he (along with Jeffrey E. Brower) offers instead a different defense of the orthodox understanding of the Trinity that he believes to be far more robust that he refers to as the "Aristotelian Solution" which you can read about here.
Rea's issues with Social Trinitarianism have almost nothing in common with your own complaints about the Trinity. He believes that the Trinity can be understood correctly both intuitively and dogmatically, but I'm certain you picked up on this paper after much "research", which amounted to whatever you could hit upon by desperately googling the keywords "Trinity" and "polytheism".Last edited by shunyadragon; 09-10-2016, 09:05 AM.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostRea's paper justifies an interpretation that the Trinity may be considered a polytheistic belief. I consider this a viable opposing view to the belief that the Trinity may be considered monotheism.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostYou use this Cheshire Cat emoticon all the time. What particular meaning do you associate with that emoticon that you use it as a defense against criticism?
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostWhen posters make insults and fail to address the issues, and make Gooney bird fly bys dumping their smelly loads in the thread. It is very descriptive of a prevalent problem.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostWhen posters make insults and fail to address the issues, and make Gooney bird fly bys dumping their smelly loads in the thread. It is very descriptive of a prevalent problem.
Shunya, sometimes you just really don't know much about what you're talking about, and it's obvious to those who do, and even some like me, who don't know much. You could gain a lot of credibility by being willing to learn from others, by asking open-minded questions, and by accepting when you're wrong about something. Just a thought......>>> Witty remark or snarky quote of another poster goes here <<<...
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostJesus is not the problem. It is the Hellenist Paul's version of Christianity that is the problem....>>> Witty remark or snarky quote of another poster goes here <<<...
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The Trinity is an explanation of God and the relationship of God the Father, The Lord Jesus Christ the Son of God and the Holy Spirit, not polytheistic.Last edited by 37818; 09-10-2016, 12:07 PM.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostObviously true, but I gave a diversity sources of academics.Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostThis is very strange phrasing. It is modern readers who know about Ugarit and Sumerian mythology from extracts of cuneiform tablets. You make it sound like the Ancient Hebrews themselves sat down and cobbled together their beliefs from extract cuneiform texts. More likely than not, they simply adopted and incorporated those beliefs from those they lived with or lived near. They didn't actually have to sit down and extract those ideas directly from cuneiform texts. I mean, you're assuming that the Ancient Israelis even know how to read Sumerian cuneiform. I don't know of any evidence for that. Furthermore, that they adopted certain ideas from surrounding cultures in no way, shape, or form means that all of the "earliest forms of Judaism" derive from those sources,
. . . but we've already had that discussion, where, predictably, you babbled on not knowing what the heck you were talking about for page after page while those who did constantly corrected you:
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...naanite-Psalms
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...ight=cuneiform
You're a glutton for trouble, but good for a laugh I suppose.
The bottom line is that many if not most Christians believe that the plural references in the Pentateuch support the belief in the Trinity.The reality is they were references to Ugarite and Canaanite polytheism, and the later use of the plural in Hebrew to refer to the omnipotent power of the singular monotheistic God.Last edited by shunyadragon; 09-10-2016, 04:38 PM.
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostThe Trinity is an explanation of God and the relationship of God the Father, The Lord Jesus Christ the Son of God and the Holy Spirit, not polytheistic.
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