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Is ordination of women to be Pastors [Overseer/Bishop] orthodox?
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI was hoping not to get into an extended debate because I freely admit I have a lot more work to do on that issue; I was just trying to answer the question as to why I presently take the stance I do.
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostYou do know that men being taught were to "stay quiet" as well, right?
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by DesertBerean View Post...to be clear, I see this argument about headship as weak as it relates to what ministries a woman may engage in. When the Holy Spirit came down a Pentecost, both men and women received it, as indicated by the text and by Peter quoting from Joel.
I've been reading the OT more these days...and I've noticed that when they speak of the Spirit of God, it serves as a sign that God has chosen, or spoken, and that is the final say on the matter. But I'm still studying ...
Again, I just don't think the headship of the husband should be used as an argument here.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAnd you want to get into that, eh?
So why would Paul, the great Church Planter, say
1 Tim 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostBut it was okay that Tim was taught by women?
I was taught my my mother and grandmother, also.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post...
We know precious little about Junia, and slightly more about Priscilla. We don't know that either of them were pastors.
..."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostSure - he was a lad!
I was taught my my mother and grandmother, also."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostYet it's that teaching Tim is using to teach others -
this makes no sense if a woman's teaching is suspect (also, teaching isn't preaching - so Sunday School, not pastoral roles, should be the real question IF a woman's teaching is suspect).The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View Post***cough*** Phoebe...
And I got over MY cough with ... um... benzonotate... marvelous!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAnd you're certainly entitled to your opinion, and you're still one of my most favorite Twebbers!Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette
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I think we can assume that women did pastor in the ANE. If we look for instance at Priscilla, the fact that her name came first is very important. As John Chrysostom (349–407 A.D.) stated of her:
That is just a small piece of a larger picture though."Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)
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I agree it's part of a larger picture. When I have time I'll post my views on this....Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette
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