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Is ordination of women to be Pastors [Overseer/Bishop] orthodox?

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  • Is ordination of women to be Pastors [Overseer/Bishop] orthodox?

    Originally posted by Catholicity View Post
    Not a fan of Carm's definition of Unorthodox as I believe in Ordination of women is practical for many churches
    Two questions: What is incorrect about CARM's definition of what is Unorthodox? On what bases is the making of women to become Pastors orthodox?
    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

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    How about a link to CARM's definition of Unorthodox? I looked around at the site and couldn't find one.
    "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

    "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
      How about a link to CARM's definition of Unorthodox? I looked around at the site and couldn't find one.
      Click on Catholicity's quote in the opening post and you can see the initial discussion. Basically, here the issue is merely that they consider the ordination of women as pastors to be unorthodox.
      βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
      ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.

      אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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      • #4
        The first place to affirm a Woman's Role in the beginning of the Church's Ministry is in the Book of Acts.
        Originally posted by Acts1:12-14
        12 Then they returned to Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is near Jerusalem, a Sabbath day's journey away. 13 And when they had entered, they went up to the upper room, where they were staying, Peter and John and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot and Judas the son of James. 14 All these with one accord were devoting themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers.
        We should never be too Hasty to forget that women and of Course Blessed Mother Mary begin here by praying in one accord in the upper room near pentecost. This of course signifying the beginning of the Church. Men and Women alike praying over the start of the ministry of Jesus when the Holy Spirit comes.
        A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
        George Bernard Shaw

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        • #5
          1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach . . . .

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          • #6
            Originally posted by robrecht View Post
            Click on Catholicity's quote in the opening post and you can see the initial discussion. Basically, here the issue is merely that they consider the ordination of women as pastors to be unorthodox.
            I am confused. What I saw there was CARM's description of the WWCG's view of orthodoxy. That is not CARM giving their own.
            Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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            • #7
              In reference to female authority figures within the early church, Mark Goodacre has a terrific (8 minute) podcast episode on the Apostle Junia mentioned in Romans 16:7.

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              • #8
                OK, get your rocks and stones ready.....

                1 Tim 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
                "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  OK, get your rocks and stones ready.....

                  1 Tim 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

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                  • #10
                    Once I understood where the link was, that's what I saw, too. Does CARM give a statement of Orthodoxy?
                    "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

                    "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by dacristoy View Post
                      Thanks. I needed that.
                      "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                      • #12
                        In addition to the reference to the Apostle Junia that Romans gives there is also a greeting to Pheobe
                        Originally posted by Romans 16:1
                        I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a servant[a] of the church at Cenchreae, 2 that you may welcome her in the Lord in a way worthy of the saints, and help her in whatever she may need from you, for she has been a patron of many and of myself as well.
                        And Prisca (english Priscilla) the wife of Aquila beginning in Romans 16:3 who had and lead both a house Church here
                        Originally posted by Romans 16:3-5
                        3 Greet Prisca and Aquila, my fellow workers in Christ Jesus, 4 who risked their necks for my life, to whom not only I give thanks but all the churches of the Gentiles give thanks as well. 5 Greet also the church in their house.
                        Now Cow Poke, I respect you as a pastor...but here is an example of a woman and her husband BOTH leading a church.
                        A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
                        George Bernard Shaw

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                        • #13
                          May have read Carm wrong, but now I get to go onto a new theology topic
                          A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
                          George Bernard Shaw

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Catholicity View Post
                            INow Cow Poke, I respect you as a pastor...but here is an example of a woman and her husband BOTH leading a church.
                            Were they co-pastors?
                            "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                            • #15
                              The question is if it's "orthodox". Does this violate any major creed?

                              I know that's not the end-be-all, because creeds also don't say anything about, say, sexual ethics. But "unorthodox" implies a major breach.
                              "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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