Is ordination of women to be Pastors [Overseer/Bishop] orthodox?

[Cow Poke]

I was hoping not to get into an extended debate because I freely admit I have a lot more work to do on that issue; I was just trying to answer the question as to why I presently take the stance I do.

No prob!

[Cerebrum123]

I was hoping not to get into an extended debate because I freely admit I have a lot more work to do on that issue; I was just trying to answer the question as to why I presently take the stance I do.

I get that, I need to take a break myself. I was just pointing out that the "stay quiet" is not in dispute.

[Cow Poke]

You do know that men being taught were to "stay quiet" as well, right?

Yet HERE you are!

[Abigail]

...to be clear, I see this argument about headship as weak as it relates to what ministries a woman may engage in. When the Holy Spirit came down a Pentecost, both men and women received it, as indicated by the text and by Peter quoting from Joel.

I've been reading the OT more these days...and I've noticed that when they speak of the Spirit of God, it serves as a sign that God has chosen, or spoken, and that is the final say on the matter. But I'm still studying ...

Again, I just don't think the headship of the husband should be used as an argument here.

The problem is that Paul seems to bring it up right here in verses 13-14. Further complicating matters is the fact that not only were Adam and Eve the first template for a married couple but they were the first male and female of the created order.

[Teallaura]

And you want to get into that, eh?

So why would Paul, the great Church Planter, say
1 Tim 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

But it was okay that Tim was taught by women?

[Cow Poke]

But it was okay that Tim was taught by women?

Sure - he was a lad!

I was taught my my mother and grandmother, also.

[Teallaura]

...
We know precious little about Junia, and slightly more about Priscilla. We don't know that either of them were pastors.
...

***cough*** Phoebe...

[Teallaura]

Sure - he was a lad!

I was taught my my mother and grandmother, also.

Yet it's that teaching Tim is using to teach others - this makes no sense if a woman's teaching is suspect (also, teaching isn't preaching - so Sunday School, not pastoral roles, should be the real question IF a woman's teaching is suspect).

[Cow Poke]

Yet it's that teaching Tim is using to teach others -

Along with copious amounts of teaching by Paul.

this makes no sense if a woman's teaching is suspect (also, teaching isn't preaching - so Sunday School, not pastoral roles, should be the real question IF a woman's teaching is suspect).

I think you're dancing without a partner. Where did anybody say that a woman's teaching is "suspect"?

[Cow Poke]

***cough*** Phoebe...

What Church did she pastor?

And I got over MY cough with ... um... benzonotate... marvelous!

[DesertBerean]

And you're certainly entitled to your opinion, and you're still one of my most favorite Twebbers!

You say that only because it's true.

[Cow Poke]

You say that only because it's true.

[Jesse]

I think we can assume that women did pastor in the ANE. If we look for instance at Priscilla, the fact that her name came first is very important. As John Chrysostom (349–407 A.D.) stated of her:

Source: http://www.cbeinternational.org/resources/article/john-chrysostom%E2%80%99s-first-homily-greeting-priscilla-and-aquila?page=5

This too is worthy of inquiry, why, as he addressed them, Paul has placed Priscilla before her husband. For he did not say, “Greet Aquila and Priscilla,” but “Priscilla and Aquila.” He does not do this without a reason, but he seems to me to acknowledge a greater godliness for her than for her husband. What I said is not guess-work, because it is possible to learn this from the Book of Acts. She took Apollos, an eloquent man and powerful in the Scriptures, but knowing only the baptism of John; and she instructed him in the way of the Lord and made him a teacher brought to completion (Acts 18:24, 25).

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That is just a small piece of a larger picture though.

[DesertBerean]

I agree it's part of a larger picture. When I have time I'll post my views on this....

[Truthseeker]

"Pastor" is a New Testament role. "The Church" as we know it*, began with Christ.

The ESV of the Bible does not have "pastor." What do you mean by that word?