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Without turning this forum into a 'hill of foreskins' (Joshua 5:3), I believe we can still have fun with this 'sensitive' topic.
However, don't be misled, dispensationalism has only partly to do with circumcision issues. So, let's not forget about Innocence, Conscience, Promises, Kingdoms and so on.
End time -isms within orthodox Christianity also discussed here. Clearly unorthodox doctrines, such as those advocating "pantelism/full preterism/Neo-Hymenaeanism" or the denial of any essential of the historic Christian faith are not permitted in this section but can be discussed in Comparative Religions 101 without restriction. Any such threads, as well as any that within the moderator's discretions fall outside mainstream evangelical belief, will be moved to the appropriate area.
Millennialism- post-, pre- a-
Futurism, Historicism, Idealism, and Preterism, or just your garden variety Zionism.
From the tribulation to the anichrist. Whether your tastes run from Gary DeMar to Tim LaHaye or anywhere in between, your input is welcome here.
OK folks, let's roll!
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Without turning this forum into a 'hill of foreskins' (Joshua 5:3), I believe we can still have fun with this 'sensitive' topic.
However, don't be misled, dispensationalism has only partly to do with circumcision issues. So, let's not forget about Innocence, Conscience, Promises, Kingdoms and so on.
End time -isms within orthodox Christianity also discussed here. Clearly unorthodox doctrines, such as those advocating "pantelism/full preterism/Neo-Hymenaeanism" or the denial of any essential of the historic Christian faith are not permitted in this section but can be discussed in Comparative Religions 101 without restriction. Any such threads, as well as any that within the moderator's discretions fall outside mainstream evangelical belief, will be moved to the appropriate area.
Millennialism- post-, pre- a-
Futurism, Historicism, Idealism, and Preterism, or just your garden variety Zionism.
From the tribulation to the anichrist. Whether your tastes run from Gary DeMar to Tim LaHaye or anywhere in between, your input is welcome here.
OK folks, let's roll!
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
Of course Western persecution doesn't carry more weight. I'm pointing out the lack of it. Since the Bible indicates persecution will be global and the west doesn't have persecution therefore we are not in the end times.
Years ago, I was pre-trib rapture. Since then, the more I've read the Bible, the less convincing I find pre-trib rapture to be. I don't have a position right now on the tribulation and rapture and the timing thereof.
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Originally posted by Darfius View Post
"Beginning of sorrows". Obviously things will progress, not switch from calm seas to a raging storm all of a sudden. Revelation presents the "end times" as unfolding as a sealed scroll. We could be and are in the end times despite not being in the specific 3.5 year period (or 7 year period) as yet."For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
"Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom
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I still don't see why 2015 was supposedly the start of the end times? What did I miss?
If you compare everything that went on the last few years, (disasters, wars, a pandemic, riots) with say, 100 years ago at the beginning of the 20th century, we don't hold a candle to it. The first half of the 20th century was marked with two world wars, the Spanish flu, the stock market crash and great depression, the Dust Bowl, the 1906 San Francisco earthquake. I could go on for a while here.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI still don't see why 2015 was supposedly the start of the end times? What did I miss?
If you compare everything that went on the last few years, (disasters, wars, a pandemic, riots) with say, 100 years ago at the beginning of the 20th century, we don't hold a candle to it. The first half of the 20th century was marked with two world wars, the Spanish flu, the stock market crash and great depression, the Dust Bowl, the 1906 San Francisco earthquake. I could go on for a while here.
Of the 10 worst natural disasters in the 20th cent., only one, another Chinese flood in 1959 which killed roughly 2 million, occurred in the second half of the century.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI still don't see why 2015 was supposedly the start of the end times? What did I miss?
If you compare everything that went on the last few years, (disasters, wars, a pandemic, riots) with say, 100 years ago at the beginning of the 20th century, we don't hold a candle to it. The first half of the 20th century was marked with two world wars, the Spanish flu, the stock market crash and great depression, the Dust Bowl, the 1906 San Francisco earthquake. I could go on for a while here.
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Originally posted by seanD View Post
Personally, I think the generation clock started at about 2000 or once social media and how we communicate information came to the fore, so as far as the Blood Moon thing. I can take it or leave it. I just thought it was a heck of a coincidence. Everyone scoffed at the religious folks (including Christians) that promoted it, and now all of a sudden, look where we are, and where we're heading.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostPersonally, I think that history is chock full of eras when things were considerably worse than what we are experiencing now.
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Originally posted by Darfius View Post
There's that pesky "we" again that disregards Christians being genocided in China and the Middle East. You have no conception of the real world.
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Originally posted by Darfius View PostThere's that pesky "we" again that disregards Christians being genocided in China and the Middle East. You have no conception of the real world.
Perhaps you should look up what the Ottomans, for one, were doing during the late 19th early 20th centuries. Little things like the genocide against the Armenians who were Christians btw. This was actually the culmination of Ottoman Muslim policy that resulted in large systematic massacres of Armenian Christians since the 1890s. Lesser known is the fact that the Ottoman's also targeted Syriac Christians and Greek Orthodox Christians for genocide as well. Probably because they were considerably less numerous.
As for China... Christians have pretty much faced various degrees of persecution there since it was outlawed during the Ming dynasty in the 17th cent. To point to persecution there now is hardly saying anything new. Ironically, the Uyghur Muslims in western China who are suffering the worst persecution in China today, had a reputation for expelling or killing Christians back in the late 19th cent. up to WWII.
Finally, I have posted multiple times here about Christians being persecuted today. For instance, HERE and HERE for two examples. I even brought up how it is increasing here in the west.
So spare me your proclamation that I have "no conception of the real world" which is especially rich coming from someone who thinks reality keeps shifting on us oh Mr. Mandela Effect
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
I guess that must be something completely new and never seen before.
Perhaps you should look up what the Ottomans, for one, were doing during the late 19th early 20th centuries. Little things like the genocide against the Armenians who were Christians btw. This was actually the culmination of Ottoman Muslim policy that resulted in large systematic massacres of Armenian Christians since the 1890s. Lesser known is the fact that the Ottoman's also targeted Syriac Christians and Greek Orthodox Christians for genocide as well. Probably because they were considerably less numerous.
As for China... Christians have pretty much faced various degrees of persecution there since it was outlawed during the Ming dynasty in the 17th cent. To point to persecution there now is hardly saying anything new. Ironically, the Uyghur Muslims in western China who are suffering the worst persecution in China today, had a reputation for expelling or killing Christians back in the late 19th cent. up to WWII.
Finally, I have posted multiple times here about Christians being persecuted today. For instance, HERE and HERE for two examples. I even brought up how it is increasing here in the west.
So spare me your proclamation that I have "no conception of the real world" which is especially rich coming from someone who thinks reality keeps shifting on us oh Mr. Mandela Effect
Your quick googling of Christian persecution aside, my argument was not that the genocide happening in the East is unique, but to call you out for proclaiming what "we" are experiencing in an obviously tone deaf manner.
Europe has long since been invaded by Muslims and is post-Christian, ready and willing to globalize and possesses protections for Christians only as a vestige of a system that is on its death rattle.
America has an openly Communistic regime that is completing the final stages of dismantling what we know of as "the West" with the pandemic helping them speed along that process exponentially.
You are a fat frog oblivious to the water coming to a boil around you.
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Originally posted by Darfius View PostEach of your posts was in service to a larger political argument you wanted to make to virtue signal to your in-group. Your compassion overwhelms.
Better luck next time.
Originally posted by Darfius View PostYour quick googling of Christian persecution aside, my argument was not that the genocide happening in the East is unique, but to call you out for proclaiming what "we" are experiencing in an obviously tone deaf manner.
Originally posted by Darfius View PostEurope has long since been invaded by Muslims and is post-Christian, ready and willing to globalize and possesses protections for Christians only as a vestige of a system that is on its death rattle.
Originally posted by Darfius View PostAmerica has an openly Communistic regime that is completing the final stages of dismantling what we know of as "the West" with the pandemic helping them speed along that process exponentially.Originally posted by Darfius View PostEach of your posts was in service to a larger political argument you wanted to make to virtue signal to your in-group. Your compassion overwhelms
Pretty hypocritical especially considering that you went all of three sentences after duducing[1] my post "was in service to a larger political argument" before you start presenting a political argument. smiley snicker.gif
Originally posted by Darfius View PostYou are a fat frog oblivious to the water coming to a boil around you.
1. another shot at coining a word, meaning a deduction that was a dud. So help me if this is an actual word already...
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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