Praying to Mary is worshiping Mary

[robrecht]

Are we supposed to imagine that the angels and saints in heaven only hear by mechanical sound vibrations and physical ears?

[foudroyant]

I guess you could always play on the word 'fully'. Maria doesn't need exhaustive knowledge, in principle she just needs your prayer intentions. Since you're quite capable of delivering those verbally, then even by your own standards Maria doesn't need knowledge that goes beyond verbal communication.

Prayer intentions would necessitate fully knowing the heart.
Not all prayers are give verbally thus your point collapses.

[foudroyant]

Are we supposed to imagine that the angels and saints in heaven only hear by mechanical sound vibrations and physical ears?

Not sure but they do not fully know the hearts.

[foudroyant]

You still ignore my questions, and get mad for not answering every little bit from you.

In Post 58 I answered your questions.

This is what you asked in Post 57:
Why is it important for the prayers to be silent?

Do you consider spoken prayers to be a problem as well?

And knowing the prayers of people is equivalent with knowing the content of their hearts?

Here is my post 58
The conversation is rapidly ceasing because you refuse to see how words are PROPERLY defined - why would you "ignore" about God being the heart-knower?
ANSWER TO YOUR FIRST AND SECOND QUESTIONS:Silent prayers prove that when the word "prayed" is used in reference to people addressing other people it is not in the same sense as when it is used of people addressing God. Notice further that when it is used of people addressing other people it is not multiple people with various needs all addressing the person at the same time and having that person fully understand every thing that was being said.

ANSWER TO QUESTION NUMBER 3: Fully knowing the prayers of people is equivalent to fully knowing the contents of their hearts.

[Spartacus]

Foud: is there any reason to believe that heart-knowing is not synecdotal with respect to omniscience?

[foudroyant]

What does synecdotal mean?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/synecdotal?s=t

[robrecht]

Not sure but they do not fully know the hearts.

Do you think that the Catholic church teaches that any of the angels or saints are Omniscient or fully know the hearts of all people everywhere?

[foudroyant]

I don't know if they teach if others fully know the hearts of all people - in practice they do. This is why I wrote in the OP:
So by praying to Mary Roman Catholics (whether they realize it or not) are ascribing knowledge to her that is reserved for God alone.

In Post 20 Spartacus affirms that others knowing the hearts is possible.

[Spartacus]

What does synecdotal mean?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/synecdotal?s=t

Adjective form of synecdoche.

[foudroyant]

Adjective form of synecdoche.

I have never seen kardiognwsta defined as such.

[Spartacus]

I have never seen kardiognwsta defined as such.

There is more to omniscience than knowing the heart, correct? But in the Bible, knowledge of the heart is used to mean omniscience, or something like it. One part of omniscience (knowing the heart) is used to communicate the whole of omniscience. That's synecdoche.

[foudroyant]

If one knows the totality of all hearts of all people that is stating they are omniscient.

[Spartacus]

If one knows the totality of all hearts of all people that is stating they are omniscient.

Is it possible that God could tell a person about the totality of every heart at any given moment without making that person completely omniscient? Is is possible to know the totality of every heart without at the same time knowing how many stars are in the sky?

[foudroyant]

No to both questions.
That would mean that God created another one who is omniscient (God).

The same would apply to God being omnipotent. God created all people. God also created the stars.

[robrecht]

I don't know if they teach if others fully know the hearts of all people - in practice they do. This is why I wrote in the OP:
So by praying to Mary Roman Catholics (whether they realize it or not) are ascribing knowledge to her that is reserved for God alone.

In Post 20 Spartacus affirms that others knowing the hearts is possible.

Please let me know if you (or anyone else here) find out. It would be good to know. I am not sure of Catholic teaching on this precise point, but nothing comes to mind.