Praying to Mary is worshiping Mary

[foudroyant]

Hopefully you have a Bible so look it up.
I affirm that prayer can not be divorced from latreuo in every passage I cited in Post #386 from the writings of Luke.

[One Bad Pig]

Hopefully you have a Bible so look it up.
I affirm that in everyone prayer can not be divorced from latreuo in every passage I cited in Post #386 from the wrings of Luke.

I looked it up. I even used blueletterbible.org to verify the Greek. I didn't see prayer mentioned anywhere near any of the verses other than Luke 2:37. That would be why I asked you to provide proof.

[foudroyant]

Let's go one passage at a time.

Choose one.

[One Bad Pig]

Let's go one passage at a time.

Choose one.

Why not start with the first?

[foudroyant]

The first I listed or the first that appears in Luke's writings?

[tabibito]

Hopefully you have a Bible so look it up.
I affirm that prayer can not be divorced from latreuo in every passage I cited in Post #386 from the writings of Luke.

you will worship, καὶ αὐτῷ μόνῳ λατρεύσεις you will serve.

Luke 1:74 ἀφόβως, ἐκ χειρὸς τῶν ἐχθρῶν ἡμῶν ῥυσθέντας, λατρεύειν to serve αὐτῷ - no mention of prayer or worship.

Acts 7:42 Ἔστρεψεν δὲ ὁ θεός, καὶ παρέδωκεν αὐτοὺς λατρεύειν to serve τῇ στρατιᾷ τοῦ οὐρανοῦ
Hebrews 9:14 πόσῳ μᾶλλον τὸ αἷμα τοῦ χριστοῦ, ὃς διὰ πνεύματος αἰωνίου ἑαυτὸν προσήνεγκεν ἄμωμον τῷ θεῷ, καθαριεῖ τὴν συνείδησιν ὑμῶν ἀπὸ νεκρῶν ἔργων, εἰς τὸ λατρεύειν to serve θεῷ ζῶντι
Acts 24:14 οὕτως λατρεύω do serve τῷ πατρῴῳ θεῷ, πιστεύων πᾶσιν τοῖς κατὰ τὸν νόμον καὶ τοῖς προφήταις γεγραμμένοις
Acts 27:23 Παρέστη γάρ μοι ταύτῃ τῇ νυκτὶ ἄγγελος τοῦ θεοῦ, οὗ εἰμι, ᾧ καὶ λατρεύω do serve,
Romans 1:9 Μάρτυς γάρ μού ἐστιν ὁ θεός, ᾧ λατρεύω do serve ἐν τῷ πνεύματί μου ἐν τῷ εὐαγγελίῳ τοῦ υἱοῦ αὐτοῦ, ὡς ἀδιαλείπτως μνείαν ὑμῶν ποιοῦμαι,
2 Timothy 1:3 Χάριν ἔχω τῷ θεῷ, ᾧ λατρεύω do servesubject to proviso, able to serve εὐαρέστως τῷ θεῷ μετὰ αἰδοῦς καὶ εὐλαβείας
Acts 26:7 εἰς ἣν τὸ δωδεκάφυλον ἡμῶν ἐν ἐκτενείᾳ νύκτα καὶ ἡμέραν λατρεῦον do serve (3P) (the one) serving

Luke 2:37 καὶ αὕτη χήρα ὡς ἐτῶν ὀγδοήκοντα τεσσάρων― ἣ οὐκ ἀφίστατο ἀπὸ τοῦ ἱεροῦ, νηστείαις fastings καὶ δεήσεσιν prayers λατρεύουσα serving νύκτα καὶ ἡμέραν

Hebrews 8:5 οἵτινες ὑποδείγματι καὶ σκιᾷ λατρεύουσιν do serve τῶν ἐπουρανίων, καθὼς κεχρημάτισται Μωϋσῆς μέλλων ἐπιτελεῖν τὴν σκηνήν
Revelation 7:15 Διὰ τοῦτό εἰσιν ἐνώπιον τοῦ θρόνου τοῦ θεοῦ, καὶ λατρεύουσιν do servedo servedo serve αὐτῷ,

EDIT .... OOPS - missed 5 occurrences of the use of λατρευω

[foudroyant]

i dont know what your talkin about.

im waiting for obp to respond.

[tabibito]

Hebrews 10:2 Ἐπεὶ οὐκ ἂν ἐπαύσαντο προσφερόμεναι, διὰ τὸ μηδεμίαν ἔχειν ἔτι συνείδησιν ἁμαρτιῶν τοὺς λατρεύοντας serving , ἅπαξ κεκαθαρμένους
Philippians 3:3 ἡμεῖς γάρ ἐσμεν ἡ περιτομή, οἱ πνεύματι θεοῦ λατρεύοντες serving, καὶ καυχώμενοι ἐν χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ, καὶ οὐκ ἐν σαρκὶ πεποιθότες
Hebrews 13:10 Ἔχομεν θυσιαστήριον, ἐξ οὗ φαγεῖν οὐκ ἔχουσιν ἐξουσίαν οἱ τῇ σκηνῇ λατρεύοντεςserving

will worship κύριον τὸν θεόν σου, καὶ αὐτῷ μόνῳ λατρεύσεις will serve

Romans 1:25 οἵτινες μετήλλαξαν τὴν ἀλήθειαν τοῦ θεοῦ ἐν τῷ ψεύδει, καὶ ἐσεβάσθησαν καὶ ἐλάτρευσαν have served τῇ κτίσει παρὰ τὸν κτίσαντα, ὅς ἐστιν εὐλογητὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας. Ἀμήν

3 occurrences of λατρευω in Luke - of 21 total in the New Testament - and, in Luke, only 1 linked with prayer. 2 (including the first) linked with worship. 1 where it isn't linked with any other action. Acts shows no stronger an association than does the gospel.

[foudroyant]

Luke links all of them with prayer.

[tabibito]

Luke 1:73 The oath which He swore to our father Abraham:
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To grant us that we,
Being delivered from the hand of our enemies,
Might serve Him without fear,
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In holiness and righteousness before Him all the days of our life.


No prayer mentioned anywhere in the passage.

[foudroyant]

Serving the Lord in the OT entailed praying to Him.

Richard N. Longenecker: There is no commandment in the Jewish Scriptures that says simply "Thou shalt pray!" Rather, what one finds is a verse like Deut 11:13, which calls on Israel "to love the Lord your God and to serve Him with all your heart and with all your soul." The rabbis of the Talmud asked about this verse: "What kind of service is it that takes place in the heart"? And they answered their own question: "It is prayer!" (b. Ta' anith 2a). (Studies in Paul, Exegetical and Theological, page 33).

And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. (Luke 4:8, KJV)

only serve God = only pray to God

[tabibito]

I think an argument could be made against Rome if she promoted λατρευω serving the saints, But I'm fairly sure she has no such teaching.

[foudroyant]

of course they will deny it but as we have seen in Post #431:

They pray to them which is the same thing as "serving" (latreuo) them.

[tabibito]

"What kind of service is it that takes place in the heart"? And they answered their own question: "It is prayer!"

Deu 11:13 ‘And it shall be that if you earnestly obey My commandments which I command you today, to love the LORD your God and serve Him with all your heart and with all your soul,

[foudroyant]

"What kind of service is it that takes place in the heart"? And they answered their own question: "It is prayer!"

Only God is to be prayed to.