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Why does "religion" get such a bad name?
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostThat the label 'Christian' is incorrect doesn't change the fact that the groups have almost always been distinct, whether in Central America, Africa, or Asia, which is why you get lots of people from many cultures making this basic distinction between 'Catholics' and 'Christians'.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostOf course the groups have always been distinct. I'm disputing the accuracy of the labels, not the distinction between the groups.
Then why on earth did you say that it was "hardly" a sound distinction? It is perfectly clear from the context which two groups the labels refer to.
Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostOriginally posted by PaprikaIt is a perfectly sound distinction between two groups with distinct sets of praxis and beliefs, and who don't tend to interact much with each other, and have historically tended to segregate.Last edited by Paprika; 05-01-2015, 09:52 AM.
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Originally posted by Paprika View Post
Then why on earth did you say that it was "hardly" a sound distinction? It is perfectly clear from the context which two groups the labels refer to.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostIt is not a sound distinction because one of the labels applies equally to both groups.
The distinction is between two groups of people. You would be better served not quibbling 'but but but the labels of one of the group is inaccurate ' and instead considering the massive problem the obvious disunity of the church poses not least in the field of evangelism.
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Originally posted by Paprika View Post
The distinction is between two groups of people. You would be better served not quibbling 'but but but the labels of one of the group is inaccurate ' and instead considering the massive problem the obvious disunity of the church poses not least in the field of evangelism.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostWithout both groups acknowledging each other as Christian, which would necessitate a change in labels, the disunity is going to persist.
The labels - 'Christians' as opposed to 'Catholics' - are the inaccurate ones that are given by people that are virtually all outsiders.
How one groups labels the other is another matter altogether.
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Originally posted by Paprika View Post
The labels - 'Christians' as opposed to 'Catholics' - are the inaccurate ones that are given by people that are virtually all outsiders.
How one groups labels the other is another matter altogether.
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Originally posted by Truthseeker View PostI am surprised there are many people that consider Catholics to be not Christian.
It would be like if a person ignorant of Muslim theology and history labels the Shia "Shia" and the Sunnis and the rest "Muslims". I repeat, the label may be inaccurate but what is the point is the outsider's notice of the division between the groups, not whether the labels are completely accurate.
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In my case, with respect to the Catholic vs Christian issue, the persons making that distinction were the Haitians who had experienced some of each. They had experienced some bad aspects of the Catholic religion, and some good aspects of non-Catholic missionaries and aid workers, whom they called "Christians".The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Paprika View Post
The labels - 'Christians' as opposed to 'Catholics' - are the inaccurate ones that are given by people that are virtually all outsiders.
How one groups labels the other is another matter altogether.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThat IS how one group labels the other in my experience (Dominican Republic) and Cow Poke's (Haiti); I suspect it's much the same in South America in general.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThat IS how one group labels the other in my experience (Dominican Republic) and Cow Poke's (Haiti); I suspect it's much the same in South America in general.
I read Cow Poke's post re: Haitians and Czechs as regarding labelling by outsiders, which matches my own experience in my country.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIn the case of Haiti, there's the element of Voodoo, which the Catholics supposedly mixed with Catholicism to control the people. (I don't know if that's true, but it was the reason given to me by the Haitians)Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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