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Originally posted by Timothy View Post
I do. Birds of a feather flock together. You talk exactly like them.
Personally, IMO the "never Trump" position is a rather myopic one - not because I like Trump, but because it negates the possibility of a "worse than Trump" position. That more or less forces one into necessarily demonizing Trump regardless of what position he or anyone else takes.
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Originally posted by Timothy View Post
Five people died, Beverly
If she had been killed during the Summer of Love the left would hail her a martyr like they do Floyd.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostBut only one of them died as a result of the riot. That was an unarmed young woman who was shot by a jumpy cop who's record plainly shows he should not be allowed to handle any firearm and various pictures and videos from that day confirms that this. Such as scurrying about when there was no danger with his finger on the trigger.
If she had been killed during the Summer of Love the left would hail her a martyr like they do Floyd.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
Random thought: I think a few Christian supporters of Trump are guilty of idolatry. From my Christian perspective, he's probably the better choice than Biden. Unfortunately, I also think choosing between Trump and Biden is like being asked "do you wish to be executed by hanging or firing squad?"
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Timothy View Post
I just honestly did not know that referring to January 6th as a "riot" and not an "insurrection" was a MAGA talking point until I saw that news item. After I saw that, our discussion made perfect sense.
I know you have me pegged as a non-trumper. That's fair. I'm an original Never Trumper and I am proud that I remained Never-Trump from the beginning. It's due to Trump's vulgarity, immorality, indecency, dishonesty, mendacity, mockery, arrogance, and ignorance.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostBasically you prefer someone who keeps doing severe damage to the country over someone who is a crude and rude lout.
Have a nice day everyone!
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Originally posted by Timothy View Post
Since it appears that I am alone in my belief that as Christians, for the sake of our own reputations, we should not align with a politian as corrupt as Donald Trump, I will just leave.
Have a nice day everyone!
Hotel California.jpgThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Timothy View Post
Since it appears that I am alone in my belief that as Christians, for the sake of our own reputations, we should not align with a politian as corrupt as Donald Trump, I will just leave.
Have a nice day everyone!
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Originally posted by Timothy View Post
Since it appears that I am alone in my belief that as Christians, for the sake of our own reputations, we should not align with a politian as corrupt as Donald Trump, I will just leave.
Have a nice day everyone!
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
I think having three branches of government and presidential term limits and the terms only 4 years is probably the best thing the US has going for it. No one person can make too many changes or take too much power in that amount of time. It causes some gridlock, but that's better than having to deal with the same leaders on an ongoing basis, like Canada has to deal with."For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
I would add term limits. I've seen too many people hold on to office too long. You need a way to get fresh ideas into the government.
The problem is that folks seemingly want term limits for politicians who aren't in their state or district. They want them for those elsewhere, why they continue to reelect the person in their area.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
I would add term limits. I've seen too many people hold on to office too long. You need a way to get fresh ideas into the government.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Timothy View Post
Since it appears that I am alone in my belief that as Christians, for the sake of our own reputations, we should not align with a politian as corrupt as Donald Trump, I will just leave.
Have a nice day everyone!
Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View PostI've had a couple days to think about this more. While I agree that Christians should be involved in the political process, I'm getting more convinced that the Kingdom of God will not be voted in. Maybe we can get a slightly better world if the correct politician is elected. None of them are Christ. The Kingdom of God will only arrive when Christ returns to rule and reign.
Just watching the prolife movement for the past couple years has been instructive. They did get a good deed done by getting Roe v Wade repealed. However, I also see, that pro-life isn't suddenly the view of the people. I think the pro-life movement needs to start putting more effort into changing hearts and minds now. I won't abandon the political process. I just think it is reaching a point where increasing energy into it will produce less and less results. It the old saying, "You can't legislate morality."
Random thought: I think a few Christian supporters of Trump are guilty of idolatry. From my Christian perspective, he's probably the better choice than Biden. Unfortunately, I also think choosing between Trump and Biden is like being asked "do you wish to be executed by hanging or firing squad?""I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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