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  • #46
    Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
    Stupid Roe v.Roee. I heard it was the equivalent of seeing movement in the bushes and shooting because you don't know what it is. Or demolishing a building that a child may have run into.
    Roe specifically states the embryo is human. Roe'Roe's stupidity is in trying to decide when a baby has a greater right to live than the woman has to kill it in private.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
      Roe's stupidity is in trying to decide when a baby has a greater right to live than the woman has to kill it in private.
      We actually deal with that in the law - when we believe another person has the ability and intent to kill us, and the threat is imminent, it is "justifiable" to use deadly force. It would be incredibly rare that such a tiny person could present such a threat.
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      • #48
        Originally posted by Raphael View Post
        Your closest bet is someone like Gianna Jessen who survived being aborted. (her birth certificate reads "born during saline abortion")
        This is a fact?
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        • #49
          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          We actually deal with that in the law - when we believe another person has the ability and intent to kill us, and the threat is imminent, it is "justifiable" to use deadly force. It would be incredibly rare that such a tiny person could present such a threat.
          Only if they accidentally implanted in the wrong place. Ectopic pregnancies are tragic.
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          • #50
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            This is a fact?
            From the BBC (not exactly a pro-life friendly source):

            Source: I survived an abortion attempt


            Gianna Jessen's mother was seven-and-a-half months pregnant when it was decided to abort the foetus she was carrying.

            A saline solution was injected into Gianna's mother's womb, which doctors thought would kill the foetus within hours.

            This time, most unusually, the procedure failed and Gianna was born alive, thanks in part to a shocked nurse.

            She was so taken aback by Gianna's live delivery that she summoned an ambulance to whisk her from the abortion clinic to the hospital.

            She weighed only two pounds at birth and needed to stay in hospital for nearly three months.

            In an ironic twist of fate the abortionist had to sign her birth certificate.

            Now American-born Gianna, aged 28, is in London to give her message against abortion.

            Unusual case

            Pro-choice groups say that while hers is a distressing story it is unusual and that guidelines are in place in the UK to stop live births after abortions.

            The legal limit for abortion in the UK is 24 weeks. The only exceptions to this is where a woman's life is in danger or if there is a real risk that the child, if born, would have a severe physical or mental disability.

            In those cases, there is no legal time limit.

            Gianna, a committed Christian, is opposed to abortion.

            She has cerebral palsy as a direct result of the procedure carried out on her in the womb.

            "The saline solution injected into the mother is to burn the baby, which gulps it in the womb," she said.

            "But after being literally burned alive for 18 hours I was delivered live.

            "It says on my records that I was born after a saline abortion.

            "I was not expected to be delivered live but fortunately for me the abortionist was not in the clinic when I arrived alive instead of dead.

            "I was born about 6am and my 'birth' was not expected until about 9am, when he would be arriving for his office hours.

            "There were many witnesses to my entry into this world.

            "My biological mother and other young girls at the clinic, who also awaited the death of their babies, were the first to greet me and I am told this was a hysterical moment."

            Bleak outlook

            Initially the prognosis for Gianna, who comes from Tennessee, was poor.

            Because of her cerebral palsy her foster mother was told that she was unlikely to ever crawl or walk.

            She, however, was determined and eventually learned to sit, crawl and then stand.

            She started to walk with leg braces and by the age of four was walking with the aid of a walker - now she walks without any assistance.

            She refuses to let her cerebral palsy blight her life and is currently training for the London marathon.

            But she says her determination can cause her problems.

            "I am often misunderstood, which is often the most painful.

            "My determination not to give up is often misunderstood as being over confident.

            "But it is not that. I am just determined not to give up. I am just not a quitter.

            "Being almost murdered in the womb and then having to struggle from the moment I was delivered means I have a love of life and a joy of life."

            Forgiveness

            Gianna has never met her biological mother, but her adopted mother has and passed on Gianna's forgiveness.

            Her biological parents were both just 17 when Gianna was born.



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            The story continues at the link above

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            • #51
              There are many stories of babies still alive after an abortion procedure and the nurses who have instructions to just leave them and let them die.

              https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...ies%20to%20die



              http://www.mercatornet.com/sheila_liaugminas/view/11588

              http://www.lifenews.com/2013/04/15/n...ter-abortions/


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              • #52
                Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                There are many stories of babies still alive after an abortion procedure and the nurses who have instructions to just leave them and let them die.

                https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...ies%20to%20die



                http://www.mercatornet.com/sheila_liaugminas/view/11588

                http://www.lifenews.com/2013/04/15/n...ter-abortions/
                God bless those who ignore those instruction and praying that was enough for them to see the light and get them to stop assisting in such practices altogether

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                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                  God bless those who ignore those instruction and praying that was enough for them to see the light and get them to stop assisting in such practices altogether

                  When you do a search there are a number who stop because of this very issue.


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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    From the BBC (not exactly a pro-life friendly source):

                    Source: I survived an abortion attempt


                    Gianna Jessen's mother was seven-and-a-half months pregnant when it was decided to abort the foetus she was carrying.

                    A saline solution was injected into Gianna's mother's womb, which doctors thought would kill the foetus within hours.

                    This time, most unusually, the procedure failed and Gianna was born alive, thanks in part to a shocked nurse.

                    She was so taken aback by Gianna's live delivery that she summoned an ambulance to whisk her from the abortion clinic to the hospital.

                    She weighed only two pounds at birth and needed to stay in hospital for nearly three months.

                    In an ironic twist of fate the abortionist had to sign her birth certificate.

                    Now American-born Gianna, aged 28, is in London to give her message against abortion.

                    Unusual case

                    Pro-choice groups say that while hers is a distressing story it is unusual and that guidelines are in place in the UK to stop live births after abortions.

                    The legal limit for abortion in the UK is 24 weeks. The only exceptions to this is where a woman's life is in danger or if there is a real risk that the child, if born, would have a severe physical or mental disability.

                    In those cases, there is no legal time limit.

                    Gianna, a committed Christian, is opposed to abortion.

                    She has cerebral palsy as a direct result of the procedure carried out on her in the womb.

                    "The saline solution injected into the mother is to burn the baby, which gulps it in the womb," she said.

                    "But after being literally burned alive for 18 hours I was delivered live.

                    "It says on my records that I was born after a saline abortion.

                    "I was not expected to be delivered live but fortunately for me the abortionist was not in the clinic when I arrived alive instead of dead.

                    "I was born about 6am and my 'birth' was not expected until about 9am, when he would be arriving for his office hours.

                    "There were many witnesses to my entry into this world.

                    "My biological mother and other young girls at the clinic, who also awaited the death of their babies, were the first to greet me and I am told this was a hysterical moment."

                    Bleak outlook

                    Initially the prognosis for Gianna, who comes from Tennessee, was poor.

                    Because of her cerebral palsy her foster mother was told that she was unlikely to ever crawl or walk.

                    She, however, was determined and eventually learned to sit, crawl and then stand.

                    She started to walk with leg braces and by the age of four was walking with the aid of a walker - now she walks without any assistance.

                    She refuses to let her cerebral palsy blight her life and is currently training for the London marathon.

                    But she says her determination can cause her problems.

                    "I am often misunderstood, which is often the most painful.

                    "My determination not to give up is often misunderstood as being over confident.

                    "But it is not that. I am just determined not to give up. I am just not a quitter.

                    "Being almost murdered in the womb and then having to struggle from the moment I was delivered means I have a love of life and a joy of life."

                    Forgiveness

                    Gianna has never met her biological mother, but her adopted mother has and passed on Gianna's forgiveness.

                    Her biological parents were both just 17 when Gianna was born.



                    Source

                    © Copyright Original Source



                    The story continues at the link above
                    Thanks!
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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
                      So you're saying that an abortion to save the life of the mother is basically a myth? I have suspected this.
                      Not quite, but almost. That is an extremely rare case. Many doctors have said that there is no medical condition that requires partial birth abortion. I suppose that could be not absolutely true, but close.
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                        Not quite, but almost. That is an extremely rare case. Many doctors have said that there is no medical condition that requires partial birth abortion. I suppose that could be not absolutely true, but close.
                        Maybe before C-sections were an option and the fetus was already dead?
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                          Maybe before C-sections were an option and the fetus was already dead?
                          C-sections are an ancient practice. They are named after Julius Caesar who was born that way and AFAICT pre-date him considerably.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                            C-sections are an ancient practice. They are named after Julius Caesar who was born that way and AFAICT pre-date him considerably.
                            ermm the part about Julius Cesar is a myth. Generaly if you were born by c-section the mother died right away. they didn't think it was necessary to stitch up things. considering Cesars mother was old and lived a long time welll.... however it was an old procedure reseverd for dire circumstances.
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                              Thanks!
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                              • #60
                                It's sick that some abortionist feels great about murdering a million unborn babies. And saline sounds like a horrible way to kill a baby. Why is it that animals are killed more humanly then developing humans? Sick.
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