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    Aka dilation and extraction. How could anyone think this is okay? Just finish the breech birth and give the kid to child services to put up for adoption! Why ever is it needed to kill a baby in the third trimester? Of course they shouldn't be killed in the first or second(or fourth for those infanticide advocates), but the point is that a pregnancy in the third trimester can be terminated without killing the baby/fetus. And a late term abortion is MORE risky than just giving birth to the kid.
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    Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
    Aka dilation and extraction. How could anyone think this is okay? Just finish the breech birth and give the kid to child services to put up for adoption! Why ever is it needed to kill a baby in the third trimester? Of course they shouldn't be killed in the first or second(or fourth for those infanticide advocates), but the point is that a pregnancy in the third trimester can be terminated without killing the baby/fetus. And a late term abortion is MORE risky than just giving birth to the kid.
    From what I understand, these would be performed when it's judged that bringing the fetus to term would jeopardize the mother's life/health. For instance, there's a condition called hydrocephalus in which a fetus' head swells with water and becomes so large that delivery might injure the mother. The water swelling would also cause severe brain damage to the fetus, making it probable that it wouldn't survive for very long outside the womb anyway. Consequently, some doctors reason that it's justifiable to perform a PBA to reduce health risks to the mother by terminating a fetus that would likely have died regardless.

    Of course, there may also be ways of draining fluid from within the womb, or removing the fetus via caesarean section. So this isn't to say that I personally think this procedure is okay on a live fetus, lest certain posters on this site misrepresent this post again. But that to the best of my knowledge is the argument given by the other side.
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    • #3
      Well, yes. But i've heard that sometimes it's healthy babies. And if going to term is a health risk, they can just induce prematurely.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by square_peg View Post
        From what I understand, these would be performed when it's judged that bringing the fetus to term would jeopardize the mother's life/health. For instance, there's a condition called hydrocephalus in which a fetus' head swells with water and becomes so large that delivery might injure the mother. The water swelling would also cause severe brain damage to the fetus, making it probable that it wouldn't survive for very long outside the womb anyway. Consequently, some doctors reason that it's justifiable to perform a PBA to reduce health risks to the mother by terminating a fetus that would likely have died regardless.

        Of course, there may also be ways of draining fluid from within the womb, or removing the fetus via caesarean section. So this isn't to say that I personally think this procedure is okay on a live fetus, lest certain posters on this site misrepresent this post again. But that to the best of my knowledge is the argument given by the other side.
        This is the first example I've ever heard of an actual case where the birth could jeopardize the health of the mother. (It's the kind of hypothetical that's always brought up, but never seems to have any actual examples.) Why wouldn't a C-section be acceptable in that case?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
          This is the first example I've ever heard of an actual case where the birth could jeopardize the health of the mother. (It's the kind of hypothetical that's always brought up, but never seems to have any actual examples.) Why wouldn't a C-section be acceptable in that case?
          Then you can't wear a bikini?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
            This is the first example I've ever heard of an actual case where the birth could jeopardize the health of the mother. (It's the kind of hypothetical that's always brought up, but never seems to have any actual examples.) Why wouldn't a C-section be acceptable in that case?
            I said that I believe it would be.

            Originally posted by square_peg
            Of course, there may also be ways of draining fluid from within the womb, or removing the fetus via caesarean section. So this isn't to say that I personally think this procedure is okay on a live fetus, lest certain posters on this site misrepresent this post again. But that to the best of my knowledge is the argument given by the other side.
            Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.--Isaiah 1:17

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            • #7
              Originally posted by square_peg View Post
              I said that I believe it would be.
              Missed that part, sorry. I was curious if there are any legitimate examples that would require an abortion to save the life of the mother. I've never heard one.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                Well, yes. But i've heard that sometimes it's healthy babies. And if going to term is a health risk, they can just induce prematurely.
                It is quite often normal healthy babies. Hydrocephalus is found in only about .02% of births. I once read an atricle by a doctor saying there are virtually no cases where the life of the mother is in danger.
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                • #9
                  Maybe she threatened to commit suicide unless her baby died? But that would merit her a trip to the psych ward...
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                  • #10
                    There has been no abortion law in Canada for decades. Abortion is performed here up to and including the point of birth. That means partial birth abortions are relatively common here.

                    And the taxpayers foot the bill for each and every murder.



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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                      There has been no abortion law in Canada for decades. Abortion is performed here up to and including the point of birth. That means partial birth abortions are relatively common here.

                      And the taxpayers foot the bill for each and every murder.

                      I think it is going to take one or two first world countries to have the courage to declare the unborn as actual members of our species for the rest to come along behind them and overturn this barbaric practice.
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                      • #12
                        Stupid Roe v. Wade. I heard it was the equivalent of seeing movement in the bushes and shooting because you don't know what it is. Or demolishing a building that a child may have run into.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                          Stupid Roe v. Wade. I heard it was the equivalent of seeing movement in the bushes and shooting because you don't know what it is. Or demolishing a building that a child may have run into.
                          There is a clause in RvW called the "collapse clause". I do not know why Laci and Conner's Law didn't invoke that...
                          That's what
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                          Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                          - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                            There has been no abortion law in Canada for decades. Abortion is performed here up to and including the point of birth. That means partial birth abortions are relatively common here.

                            And the taxpayers foot the bill for each and every murder.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                              There is a clause in RvW called the "collapse clause". I do not know why Laci and Conner's Law didn't invoke that...
                              Though there is the funny double standard that if a wanted fetus is murdered, that's a horrendous crime! Schroedinger's fetus: is only a person if wanted.
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