Abortion derail from the Active Shooter thread

[Cow Poke]

Like a true religious fanatic....

What a drama queen!

[Bill the Cat]

Oh I got that. What's rich is seeing you insist someone else use a technical term when you've been defending colloquial terminology.

That's a load of hooey. I was insisting someone talking about a SPECIFIC stage of human growth and development not use a generic term that applies to multiple. If you find that "rich", then you clearly don't get what my contention was even about. You will not see me use the term "baby" when arguing specifics, but you will see me defend it when asshats try to differentiate it from a more specific term.

[Bill the Cat]

Infant. Birth is the clear dividing line, no matter when or how it occurs.

Birth is merely a change in location and a change in method of nutrient gathering.

[Bill the Cat]

So, it would appear that your objection to abortion is no more than confusion over a dictionary definition.

Not even close. And that bastardization of my position raises to a special level of incompetence. It's the fact that abortion intentionally destroys a unique member of our species and by no fault of their own. It's butchery. Plain and simple. And until you stop your cognitive dissonance on that fact, you are hopelessly lost in contradiction.

[Tassman]

What a drama queen!

http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/20...nce-continues/http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/20...inic-violence/

[Bill the Cat]

...it's being driven by the likes of you.

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[Cow Poke]

You're avoiding the issue with your infantile quips.

You say something mugs?

[Catholicity]

Birth is merely a change in location and a change in method of nutrient gathering.

Actually there is a good bit that happens in the birthing process. There's also a change in how the baby breathes in oxygen and it is significant. However the biggest leap in development is from about 14 to 23 weeks (at the end of 23 weeks an infant is technically viable) and again from 26 weeks to 36 weeks. That does NOT change however the fact that it is still a human baby.

[Cow Poke]

...you deny any culpability in contributing to the violence against Planned Parenthood.

Actually, my model is driving them out of business, then purchasing the building they were in to set up a Christian counseling service.

[Jedidiah]

Actually, my model is driving them out of business, then purchasing the building they were in to set up a Christian counseling service.

Tassman is just going by his infantile feelings. Your way is better. Murder is not approved by Christians, what ever the mouths might say.

[Tassman]

You say something mugs?

Yes, I said something.

I said that once again, despite your ongoing inaccurate and emotional claptrap about http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/20...nce-continues/http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/20...inic-violence/

Tassman is just going by his infantile feelings. Your way is better. Murder is not approved by Christians, what ever the mouths might say.

Murder is not condoned by any

[Bill the Cat]

Actually there is a good bit that happens in the birthing process. There's also a change in how the baby breathes in oxygen and it is significant.

Oxygen is a nutrient. Changing the method of respiration is still just a change in nutrient gathering. That's what I meant about the change in location the human being goes through at birth.

However the biggest leap in development is from about 14 to 23 weeks (at the end of 23 weeks an infant is technically viable) and again from 26 weeks to 36 weeks. That does NOT change however the fact that it is still a human baby.

Correct.

[firstfloor]

A blastocyst is not a part of a human being. Since it is not a non human organism, it is by definition a human being. The ONLY reason to deny this is to try to justify killing them.

You can think of a blastocyst as a building block. Just as a brick is not a house, a blastocyst is not a human being. And you are not entitled to your own definitions or words already in common use.

[Bill the Cat]

You can think of a blastocyst as a building block.

Not even close. The blastocyst is not A "building block". It is THE building block, and its inner cell mass contains the entire genetic instructions necessary to develop into later stages of human growth and development.

Just as a brick is not a house, a blastocyst is not a human being.

Thoroughly ignorant. Bricks do not develop into drywall or duct work. A brick is just a brick and will always be just a brick. The inner cell mass of a blastocyst is a fully self-contained member of our species in one of the earliest stages of development.

And you are not entitled to your own definitions or words already in common use.

And you are not entitled to redefine basic human biology.

[Catholicity]

You can think of a blastocyst as a building block. Just as a brick is not a house, a blastocyst is not a human being. And you are not entitled to your own definitions or words already in common use.

Wow you are an idiot. A blastocyst in development is the cellular differentiation in mammals after the sperm and egg unite. In terms of humans the inner layer and outer layer of cells is fully formed which will differentiate between tissues, organ, etc and the zona pellucida makes its way down the fallopian tubes to implant in the uterus. If you'd like to argue the "clump of cells and tissue" this would be the time to do it" At this point, full implantation is actually rejected in about 33-40 percent of cases because something is technically wrong chromosomally with the pregnancy. After Implantation begins a blastocyst is technically referred to in literature as an embryo, from the latin for Embryum or "young one or to be full"