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  • #61
    Originally posted by Sam View Post
    I don't have a favorite candidate this cycle. My grudging choice would have to be Clinton because she's best situated to win and thus preserve most of the progress made during the Obama administration.

    I don't know what your income is or what your costs are projected to be and so obviously have no way to answer that question. I can say that neither Republicans nor Democrats have any real plan to fix the decline of the middle class or the problem of stagnating wages, mostly because no one really knows what exactly is driving those trends.

    ... but at least Democrats aren't proposing killing Medicare and Medicaid or opening up $10+ trillion revenue holes that will prevent any sort of capacity to preserve your welfare and run the rest of the government.

    There's only one serious party in the 2016 election, making the choice easy.
    If only Pat Paulson were running!

    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      OK, so do we know that it was "mostly tables" then? Do we know that it was the same size room as it is now?

      He should go straight to federal prison.
      "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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      • #63
        Sam, I'm a "facilities guy" from way back --- rooms OFTEN get divided up or expanded, and many commercial and institutional buildings were designed to do so. The notion that you "see no evidence that the building has ever been renovated" - from looking at a PICTURE, is downright goofy. What "evidence" would you expect to see?

        I think you're being silly.
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #64
          And There's only one serious party in the 2016 election, making the choice easy.
          Which one is that? I thought until October it was the Dems, but I have renounced them (particularly now that James Webb is not running for POTUS).
          The Republicans, of course, are even worse. With them, instead of "Spend and elect (regardless of the national debt increase)", but "Cut taxes and elect (regardless of the ten trillion dollar national debt increase."
          Of the other parties, the Libertarian and Constitutionalists (American Independent) are looney-tunes Rightists, and the Greens and the Peace and Freedom (I. e. Communist) parties are looney-tunes Leftists. Hasn't been a real American party since Ross Perot's Reform Party in 1992 and 1996.
          Last edited by Adam; 11-09-2015, 07:16 PM.
          Near the Peoples' Republic of Davis, south of the State of Jefferson (Suspended between Left and Right)

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            River in Egypt Redux.



            Wow... you need to get that manure spreader fixed... it just threw the whole load all at once!
            We all know the song and dance by now CP. Hilary Clinton has a D next to her name, so Sam will mindlessly defend her, no matter what she says or does.
            "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
            GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              Sam, I'm a "facilities guy" from way back --- rooms OFTEN get divided up or expanded, and many commercial and institutional buildings were designed to do so. The notion that you "see no evidence that the building has ever been renovated" - from looking at a PICTURE, is downright goofy. What "evidence" would you expect to see?

              I think you're being silly.
              It actually takes some looking and a trained eye to see if a building has been renovated and even than, you're only guessing without access to engineering documents like blue prints. I suppose Sam has looked at the building blue prints to the original and has proved that it has never been renovated?
              "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
              GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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              • #67
                Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                It actually takes some looking and a trained eye to see if a building has been renovated and even than, you're only guessing without access to engineering documents like blue prints. I suppose Sam has looked at the building blue prints to the original and has proved that it has never been renovated?
                In the last 15 years or so, I've overseen some pretty extensive "redo" projects in commercial buildings. It's nearly impossible to tell that three rooms were combined into one, or one room was divided into three --- if you can tell, then the construction crew did a crappy job.
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Adam View Post
                  instead of "Spend and elect (regardless of the national debt increase)"
                  The Democrats have a good history of balancing the budget. They do tend to spend more, yes, but they raise taxes to do so and have a good history of balancing the budget. Whereas the Republicans have a tendency to give out tax-cuts but not cut spending much and have a history of running up large amounts of debt as a result.
                  "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                  "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                  "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                    In the last 15 years or so, I've overseen some pretty extensive "redo" projects in commercial buildings. It's nearly impossible to tell that three rooms were combined into one, or one room was divided into three --- if you can tell, then the construction crew did a crappy job.
                    I can tell the building I worked in has been extended by looking at the differences in the roofs and the fact that some of the 'inner wall' looks a lot like an outer wall. However, that just because it's a work building that doesn't have dry wall and stuff covering up those kind of things.
                    "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                    GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                      The Democrats have a good history of balancing the budget. They do tend to spend more, yes, but they raise taxes to do so and have a good history of balancing the budget. Whereas the Republicans have a tendency to give out tax-cuts but not cut spending much and have a history of running up large amounts of debt as a result.
                      And if we ignore the fact that Obama has raised the debt more than any other previous president, you can make black sound like white. Of course, considering that you seriously think a good budget solution is just raise the taxes to higher and higher levels is an indication of your economic knowledge.
                      "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                      GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        Sam, I'm a "facilities guy" from way back --- rooms OFTEN get divided up or expanded, and many commercial and institutional buildings were designed to do so. The notion that you "see no evidence that the building has ever been renovated" - from looking at a PICTURE, is downright goofy. What "evidence" would you expect to see?

                        I think you're being silly.
                        was attended by "several" students in WLH 203. Even without the picture, Carson's claims have virtually zero merit. Is it within the realm of possibility that WLH 203, at one time, held room for ~150 students? Sure. Given the running evidence, is it at all plausible? No. Carson clearly fabricated numerous elements of a story so that he could make a point about God's provision and his personal commitment to godliness. One of those fabrications, given the evidence that Carson himself presents, includes the number of students who took the hoax test.

                        Lying for Jesus. Bad. Pretty basic stuff.
                        "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                          We all know the song and dance by now CP. Hilary Clinton has a D next to her name, so Sam will mindlessly defend her, no matter what she says or does.
                          And then he'll turn right around and claim that he doesn't have a favorite this election cycle.

                          I'm not sure who he thinks he's fooling.
                          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                          Than a fool in the eyes of God


                          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Sam View Post
                            Pay close attention to the sources here, CP
                            How bout getting off your high horse, Sam?

                            was attended by "several" students in WLH 203. Even without the picture, Carson's claims have virtually zero merit. Is it within the realm of possibility that WLH 203, at one time, held room for ~150 students? Sure. Given the running evidence, is it at all plausible? No. Carson clearly fabricated numerous elements of a story so that he could make a point about God's provision and his personal commitment to godliness. One of those fabrications, given the evidence that Carson himself presents, includes the number of students who took the hoax test.
                            So, what does ANY of that have to do with your goofy attempt at determining whether or not a building was renovated by looking at a picture of part of a room?

                            Lying for Jesus. Bad. Pretty basic stuff.
                            You're sounding more and more like the atheists all the time.
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              And then he'll turn right around and claim that he doesn't have a favorite this election cycle.

                              I'm not sure who he thinks he's fooling.
                              Should be pretty obvious, himself.
                              "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                              GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Sam View Post
                                was attended by "several" students in WLH 203. Even without the picture, Carson's claims have virtually zero merit. Is it within the realm of possibility that WLH 203, at one time, held room for ~150 students? Sure. Given the running evidence, is it at all plausible? No. Carson clearly fabricated numerous elements of a story so that he could make a point about God's provision and his personal commitment to godliness. One of those fabrications, given the evidence that Carson himself presents, includes the number of students who took the hoax test.

                                Lying for Jesus. Bad. Pretty basic stuff.
                                http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/09/...faulty-memory/

                                Oops, more media failures to search before they accuse.



                                Sorry Sam, I have found that the mainstream media is so untrustworthy when it comes to anything dealing with a republican that you shouldn't trust a word they say because they are a bunch of partisan hacks in the tank for their democrat buddies. Face it Sam, you'll mindlessly defend anybody with a D next to their name and vilify anybody with an R next to their name because you're just a partisan hack and nothing more.
                                "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                                GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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