Communism derail

[Starlight]

Horse hockey! We have LOTS of stores that have "stockpiles" of stuff and don't have point of sale systems.

So you live in a backward state in a backward country...

Yeah, so why is it I call a store and ask "do you have [whatever product]", and they check their computer and tell me "yes, we have two in stock", and when I get there 30 minutes later, they can't put their hands on one. And they'll say "But the computer says we have TWO!"

Sure, their knowledge of what items they've sold is 100% accurate because everything that is sold is scanned, whereas things within the store can get misplaced, mis-shelved, or stolen, which is why they do stock-takes occasionally to keep their database fully accurate.

My point remains, that in the last ~20 years the rise of computing has brought about a qualitative difference in terms of how effective central planning is. Previously central planning was often inefficient, and planners simply lacked data, whereas now they have all the data instantly and centralized planning can lead to much more efficient solutions.

The big change I think we'll see in the next 5-10 years, is driverless cars coming of age, and there will be a rapid shift towards centralized taxis, where an automated fleet of autonomous vehicles can pick-up people from anywhere at the press of a smartphone button, and then drop-off those people anywhere. So I think we'll see a fairly rapid revolution in transportation as a result of computer-driving networking to a central-system. There'll likely be a certain amount of socialism happening in the ownership of those vehicles - either the city councils will buy their own fleets of vehicles for public use, or private citizens will "rent out" their vehicle for public use in an Uber-like way. Either way, I can see technology pushing the future towards greater central-planning and more socialized resources because it's simply more efficient.

[jordanriver]

The Inquisitors were not democratic.

I don't want another Spanish Inquisition.

I don't want another UNEQUAL Soviet outcome.

.....I am for direct democracy. Let the people vote and decide laws and what kind of government THEY want.

Have a direct vote and let the chips fall where they may.

[jordanriver]

Horse hockey! We have LOTS of stores that have "stockpiles" of stuff and don't have point of sale systems.



Yeah, so why is it I call a store and ask "do you have [whatever product]", and they check their computer and tell me "yes, we have two in stock", and when I get there 30 minutes later, they can't put their hands on one. And they'll say "But the computer says we have TWO!"

You have to allow for the GIGO factor.

sounds like communism, or at least the Western critique of communism, if you cant get fired why worry about the quality of input.

but its capitalism, I supervise low income crews, and they are not concerned so much about quality any more than the soviets were by the 1970s and 80s.

So its not a factor.

...however, I have noticed people respond better to the group than a single boss who they do not identify with

[Adam]

I seriously doubt you'd find many Americans willing to build bridges since many seem to think they are above manual labor.

Once again you SERIOUSLY MISUNDERSTAND! You have quite a bad reading comprehension problem.
Uh, THAT'S WHAT I SAID. Americans are too lazy to build bridges and roads, unless they don't have a job. Back in 2009 when Obama proposed a capital expenditures program, millions of legal U. S. citizens would have fought each other to get these jobs. Now that they have an easier job, you Trump-lovers are stuck tearing down his wall to let in wetbacks to build the highways and bridges. THEY will work. Now do you understand?

[Adam]

I doubt it is hard to read in the sense that it is difficult to understand. Most of my reading material tends to be more inspirational, positive, and hopeful though and dystopia is usually none of those things.

Please do keep reading your positive religious/spiritual/mystical books, as you really do need to learn a hopeful, cheerful spirit. It becomes a Christian to be inspirational rather than judgmental. Keep reading.

[Adam]

that used to be my interpretation when I was right wing

Oh--so maybe you are AFTER ALL the same person who used to post in the old TWEB as Jordan River? Didn't I have you on my "Dirty Dozen" list, if so? I hereby officially remove your name from the list.
(That leaves room for a new member of the "Dirty Dozen". Should I ask for nominees? Volunteers?)

[jordanriver]

Oh--so maybe you are AFTER ALL the same person who used to post in the old TWEB as Jordan River? Didn't I have you on my "Dirty Dozen" list, if so? I hereby officially remove your name from the list.
(That leaves room for a new member of the "Dirty Dozen". Should I ask for nominees? Volunteers?)

sorry.

that was me...

it gets worse, my original handle was "Neocon Voter"

[Cow Poke]

MY CONCLUSION, humans are not inclined to share unless somebody makes them , especially somebody who can separate them from their ghost

It was the power and presence of the Holy Spirit of the Living God that "made them" VOLUNTARILY share, unlike your goofy claim that it was required.

look, its my conclusion. If you draw some other conclusion, it will not bother me. Its between you and the Maker

As thread starter, I'm going to ask you to stop posting this nonsense in this thread, and go start you own.

[lilpixieofterror]

Once again you SERIOUSLY MISUNDERSTAND! You have quite a bad reading comprehension problem.
Uh, THAT'S WHAT I SAID. Americans are too lazy to build bridges and roads, unless they don't have a job. Back in 2009 when Obama proposed a capital expenditures program, millions of legal U. S. citizens would have fought each other to get these jobs. Now that they have an easier job, you Trump-lovers are stuck tearing down his wall to let in wetbacks to build the highways and bridges. THEY will work. Now do you understand?

Of course I have a comprehension problem, I don't agree with you. I'm sorry, but you're making an assumption that you can't back up because I'm pretty sure illegal immigrants where doing jobs nobody wanted to do in 2009 just as much as they are doing them in 2015. Believe it or not, people in 2009 thought manual labor was beneath them as they do today too.

BTW I'm no Trump lover, but nice try making up assumptions that you know nothing about and showing more of your racism yet again.

[lilpixieofterror]

Please do keep reading your positive religious/spiritual/mystical books, as you really do need to learn a hopeful, cheerful spirit. It becomes a Christian to be inspirational rather than judgmental. Keep reading.

Hummm interesting, since those that actually know something about me vs you actually end up saying the opposite. I've even been asked if I ever get angry or upset... hey though.. what do they know? They only have known me for years and years and dare to disagree with Adam. They obviously are stupid for not bowing before you much as I am for darning not to bow before you.

[lilpixieofterror]

How about the movie then

Most of my movie choices are still more of a positive mindset too. Never said I would never read it, just pointing out the depressing nature of the entire thing.

[Starlight]

It was the power and presence of the Holy Spirit of the Living God that "made them" VOLUNTARILY share

CP, I think it's really bizarre eisegesis to emphasize the importance of voluntary action. There's not really anything in the entire bible to suggest that the distinction between the state supporting the poor, and individuals voluntarily supporting the poor is really important. That whole reading strikes me as a wholly unbiblical excuse that the right-wing introduces to the discussion to evade the pretty clear biblical teachings on wealthy and poverty.

[lilpixieofterror]

CP, I think it's really bizarre eisegesis to emphasize the importance of voluntary action. There's not really anything in the entire bible to suggest that the distinction between the state supporting the poor, and individuals voluntarily supporting the poor is really important. That whole reading strikes me as a wholly unbiblical excuse that the right-wing introduces to the discussion to evade the pretty clear biblical teachings on wealthy and poverty.

In other words, dimbulb doesn't like the fact that the Bible doesn't give him excuses to steal things that are not his, so he blames people that tells him stuff he doesn't like hearing. I'm sorry dimbulb, choosing to give away my own resources to the poor is different than taking those resources from others and giving them away instead. Why are you incapable of understanding such an obvious distinction?

[Cow Poke]

CP, I think it's really bizarre eisegesis to emphasize the importance of voluntary action.

You are certainly entitled to be wrong. Please show where there was any pressure on them to give up their belongings.

There's not really anything in the entire bible to suggest that the distinction between the state supporting the poor, and individuals voluntarily supporting the poor is really important.

God loves a cheerful giver.

That whole reading strikes me as a wholly unbiblical excuse that the right-wing introduces to the discussion to evade the pretty clear biblical teachings on wealthy and poverty.

No, it means we should give because we WANT to, not because somebody's holding a hammer over our heads. We "work" (and do works) because we are saved, not so that we can BE saved.

[Cow Poke]

In other words, dimbulb doesn't like the fact that the Bible doesn't give him excuses to steal things that are not his, so he blames people that tells him stuff he doesn't like hearing. I'm sorry dimbulb, choosing to give away my own resources to the poor is different than taking those resources from others and giving them away instead. Why are you incapable of understanding such an obvious distinction?

Yeah, the eisegesis is inserting the "requirement" to sell everything and give it to the Apostles. It's simply not in there.