Communism derail

[lilpixieofterror]

So, without somebody providing the job opportunities, where does this brave "administrator" get the resources to take care of the "collectivists" he supposedly administrates? And, why is HE (or she) not considered "greedy" for wanting to rule over others?

It could be said that a "collectivists" is just a greedy son of a biscuit who wants a free ride off those who do the hard work and actually earn the money.

Thus the reason communism doesn't work because the same people proposing it ignore their own jealousy, greed, and selfishness while complaining about the jealousy, greed, and selfishness of others.

[Cow Poke]

Thus the reason communism doesn't work because the same people proposing it ignore their own jealousy, greed, and selfishness while complaining about the jealousy, greed, and selfishness of others.

Yeah, I'm willing to buy JordanRiver a copy of Animal Farm.



Collectivist:
Noun
He who wishes to collect that which he did not earn.

[rogue06]

okay.

but who asked 'em?

Let me put it this way, why? I mean, why did they feel compelled to start a business instead of just 'getting a job' like the majority of people.

What kind of person wants more stuff than their neighbors?

....lets say, there's 20 apples (yeah, I haven't got past the elementary school using apples and orange pictures for arithmetic)
...and there's 10 people. That way God has made it so there are 2 apples for each person in this imaginary district example.

What kind of person decides he should create a situation where he gets 11 of the 20 apples and the other 9 people should each only get one apple?


WHY should I appreciate that guy???


why should the other 9 people appreciate that guy? They know his objective is that he is not going to do any of the actual labor. I think they should give him the bum's rush and start the factory or store or whatever business themselves and run the thing the way they would be doing it anyway when he goes on vacation.

First, many folks are not motivated by the money but simply want to be their own boss. And of those who are in it for the potential increase in income many do it simply because they want a better life for their children than they had.

But even more importantly, be thankful that these people do go out and try to start businesses or it would become increasingly more difficult to "just 'getting a job' like the majority of people." Roughly a third of the American labor force work for businesses that employ 50 or fewer employees. And nearly every large business started out as a small business.

Here is the staff of Microsoft shortly after it was founded.
Microsoft-Staff-1978.jpg
Today they employ 60,000 in the U.S.

[lilpixieofterror]

Collectivist:
Noun
Kind-hearted and loving person who actually cares about others, and the poor, and wants to see those who aren't as well-off as themselves get a helping hand.

As opposed to:
Capitalist:
Noun
Person for whom greed and love-of-money are top values, and would be happy to let the poor die in the streets, if by doing so they can manage to extract $1 more of wealth from those people to add to their own bank balance.

Starlight:
Noun
Self righteous, clueless digbat that seriously thinks the system that actually has brought prosperity to millions of people is somehow worse that a system that only seems to kill millions of people, oppress millions more, and leads to economic depression where millions more starve in the streets than ever did under the system they so hate. Also known as a dimbulb.
Look at that Starlight over there and how he keeps licking the windows. Poor guy.



Yet again, you keep showing why your earn your title of 'dimbulb'. I've already told you what I've done for the poor in my neighborhood, just this year. Now tell us, what have you done for the poor in your neighborhood or do you think whining to the government to take care of everybody counts as any sort of community service?

[lilpixieofterror]

Starlight:
Foreigner
Person who posts on Tweb and is goofy beyond imagination.

Mine is better.

[Cow Poke]

Oh, yeah, good point.

You'll add that into your denigration, I trust?

I'm amused how I'm first and foremost as foreigner.

I was being kind.

[lilpixieofterror]

I already said the better alternative.
Sometimes YOU ARE RIGHT, that the government should retrench and raise taxes and interest rates to cool off the over-heated economy (like the Fed Reserve under Coolidge and Hoover and again under Alan Greenspan during his Bubble and the Bush unfinanced Iraq War). Yes, at such times (the 1920's and post-9/11 under Bush) the government should have done the OPPOSITE of what the NEOCON REPUBLICANS DID! We needed to eliminate the deficit then and even to PAY DOWN the national debt. Bush 43 RUINED US! At least back in the 1920's Coolidge under Andrew Mellon did pay down the debt some, but the 10% margin for stock purchases and the wild-cat banks before 1934 Glass-Steagall (that Bill Clinton repealed in 1999, as discussed last night in the First Democrat Debate on CNN) almost guaranteed that loose FRB policies under Andrew Young would lead to a crash.

So Austerity Republicans like John Kasich are right during good times. During bad times they are horrible disasters as Europe under Fuhrer Andrea Merkel has proven. (Gee, just one economizing Repub out of 17 originally, and he's likely soon to drop out--doesn't say much for your point of view within the Republican Party. I guess you vote Libertarian or Constitutionalist, no room for you in the Republican Party.)

In the opposite conditions as prevailed when Obama took over during the start of the Bush Depression, the Lib-tards are right to promote public works programs like all the highways that should have been repaired 2009 to 2015 but that weren't. Now that we HAVE TO spend billions to repair bridges and highways, it won't do any good because all the construction guys already have jobs and we'll have to import millions of unqualified peons from Mexico to do the work that no one but construction workers in the U. S. are willing to do. All the while pushing up inflation.

And by the way, I did take economics courses among my G. E. and in my M. B. A. program and in the fact that all accounting courses (in which I have my second Master's degree as my specialty) are more-or-less economics courses. Plus one might consider that my five years with CPA firms as an audit specialist investigating corporations and my subsequent thirty years as Controller or CFO of corporations might count for SOMETHING in economic qualifications to know what really goes on in capitalist economies. Just saying.

I seriously doubt you'd find many Americans willing to build bridges since many seem to think they are above manual labor.

[lilpixieofterror]

Yeah, I'm willing to buy JordanRiver a copy of Animal Farm.

Doubt it would be read. I haven't decided if I will end up reading it one day or not. Not much of a fan of dystopian fiction (generally too depressing, for my taste), but I know it has value to it still.

[Cow Poke]

Doubt it would be read. I haven't decided if I will end up reading it one day or not. Not much of a fan of dystopian fiction (generally too depressing, for my taste), but I know it has value to it still.

It's a pretty easy book to read, and even easier to summarize.

"Everybody's equal, but those of us who are 'administrators' are more equal than everybody else, so we get perks".

[lilpixieofterror]

It's a pretty easy book to read, and even easier to summarize.

I doubt it is hard to read in the sense that it is difficult to understand. Most of my reading material tends to be more inspirational, positive, and hopeful though and dystopia is usually none of those things.

[rogue06]

I doubt it is hard to read in the sense that it is difficult to understand. Most of my reading material tends to be more inspirational, positive, and hopeful though and dystopia is usually none of those things.

How about the movie then

[jordanriver]

Collectivist:
Noun
He who wishes to collect that which he did not earn.

Collectivist:
Noun
Kind-hearted and loving person who actually cares about others, and the poor, and wants to see those who aren't as well-off as themselves get a helping hand.

As opposed to:
Capitalist:
Noun
Person for whom greed and love-of-money are top values, and would be happy to let the poor die in the streets, if by doing so they can manage to extract $1 more of wealth from those people to add to their own bank balance.

I guess cp believes The Apostles wished to keep that which they did not earn

Acts 4:34-37King James Version (KJV)

34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,

35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,

37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

[Cow Poke]

I guess cp believes The Apostles wished to keep that which they did not earn

That's just beyond goofy. But not surprising.

Acts 4:34-37King James Version (KJV)

34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,

35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,

37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

They did these things VOLUNTARILY as a spiritual community. This is not "communism" as it is known today.

Do you own ANY possessions? Have you given EVERYTHING to the Church?

[jordanriver]

That's just beyond goofy. But not surprising.



They did these things VOLUNTARILY as a spiritual community. This is not "communism" as it is known today.

Do you own ANY possessions? Have you given EVERYTHING to the Church?

THEY WERE COLLECTIVISTS.

all you said was collectivists.

[Cow Poke]

THEY WERE COLLECTIVISTS.

all you said was collectivists.

Anybody with half a brain knows....

A) That was a special circumstance in the Church
2) I believe the Bible is the Word of God so it's just asinine that I would think that "The Apostles wished to keep that which they did not earn".

Dumb. Stupid. Moronic. Idiotic.