You mean people took something, that wasn't worth a lot of money, and used it to get something that is actually worth more money or were just trying to get rid of items they didn't want around their house anymore? Who would of thought that would have happened?
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I was interested in a state by state breakdown of the gun ownership and murder rates of the US, and found this infographic depicting the percentage of each state who owns guns on a map of the US:
http://static3.businessinsider.com/i...-state-map.png
(It won't embed properly for some reason, so I just put the link.)
Whereas, this site lists the murder rate, etc. for each state and has individual reports for each year from '09 to '14:
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murd...ally-and-stateMy Amazon Author page: https://www.amazon.com/-/e/B0719RS8BK
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Charting IMF advanced economies with populations over five million, here's the graph I get:
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While total suicides per 100k population doesn't correlate with gun ownership among the listed nations, it appears that total homicides and firearm-related intentional deaths correlate reasonably well, in line with the more rigorous research posted above.
(Guns/100 persons is here recharted to Guns/10 persons in order to more closely group the trend lines)
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Image 1443880682-001.jpg"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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To interrupt the gun control debate:
The nine people killed after a gunman opened fire on an Oregon community college campus Thursday took different paths to the small rural college, ranging from teens starting college for the first time to adults who were seeking a second career. One was an assistant professor of English at the college.
http://news.yahoo.com/oregon-shootin...21518231.html#
Good article to know who the victims were.
Now back to the gun control debate..."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostTo interrupt the gun control debate:
The nine people killed after a gunman opened fire on an Oregon community college campus Thursday took different paths to the small rural college, ranging from teens starting college for the first time to adults who were seeking a second career. One was an assistant professor of English at the college.
http://news.yahoo.com/oregon-shootin...21518231.html#
Good article to know who the victims were.
And the shooter was a Brit!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAnd the shooter was a Brit!"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostI purposely try not to remember anything about the shooters.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by The Thinker View PostChristians are still responsible for the vast majority of violent crime in the US."It's evolution; every time you invent something fool-proof, the world invents a better fool."
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostI purposely try not to remember anything about the shooters.
As I wrote a little over a month ago in the thread Giving killers media attention
Originally posted by rogue06 View PostEver since Columbine I've been warning that all the attention given to the killers and all the public angst spent trying to "understand" them would lead to more such acts. Deranged misfits with violent inclination would see it and think that this was a legitimate way to get people to listen to them. Denying them publicity might even be just enough to keep a couple from deciding them to emulate such acts. Leave it to the psychiatrists and the like to figure out their motives and stop turning them into role models for psychopaths.
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Anyone else ever wonder why, after every school shooting here in the U.S. the resulting political discussions center around gun control instead of school security? Quite frankly, I'm not much interested in the gun control debate because I don't believe enacting further gun control will actually prove effective (in other words, I haven't seen reliable data showing a nation in a similar position as the U.S. both culturally and with regard to the number of guns owned, which has been able to enact gun control and achieve effective results).
But I digress. To me, I think it's more important that we should be talking about school security -- or rather, the lack thereof. As a country, we seem far more concerned with preventing fires in schools than we do preventing the violent deaths of our children. When's the last time you heard of a child dying from a fire at school in the U.S.? Yet we spend tons of money constructing schools with all kinds of fire-retardant materials, fire alarms, sprinkler systems, and fire extinguishers.
It doesn't cost so very much to provide a least a modicum of security but we resist the thought because most people are sheep and just want to hope the wolves won't ever actually come calling at their door. School security centers around a few basic principles:
-Single point of entry
-Security screening at the entry point (there are various ways to implement this, depending on what is practical)
-Armed security of some kind at the entry point (can be School Resource Officer, private security, or any trusted person trained in the use of their firearm)
-Randomized security screenings of students/staff (ideally they'd all be searched every time they enter the premises, but that's just not very practical)
Other things that can be somewhat helpful in optimizing school security:
-Bullet resistant window films on exterior and interior windows
-Classroom doors than can be locked with a dead-bolt style lock on the inside (or something similarly easy to lock, the idea being that during a crises event teachers will loose small motors skills due to stress and thus take a longer time to find their door key, fumble with it, and finally lock the door)
-Resource kits accessible to responding law enforcement officers with maps of the premises and master keys to access the entire facility unimpeded
-Frequent active shooter drills for students and staff, just like they do fire and tornado drills
-Video surveillance systems, with the someone trained and able to monitor the situation in a safe location and provide updates to responding law enforcement (most schools, or businesses for that matter, do not have such a set up and therefore their only usefulness is to document the bad things happening. Remember, video doesn't deter someone who plans on committing suicide anyways.)
I understand that we should also focus on the reason these shootings occur and work to minimize them. But its a problem we can't solve overnight, and in the mean time we're just being irresponsible by not implementing what security measures we can. We haven't seen it much in the U.S. yet, but what happens when terrorists decide to target our young school children like the Beslan incident in Russia? Schools are a prime target because we do little to protect them and they provide the potential for maximum emotional impact. Its a shame we aren't more interested in protecting them."If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship
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Originally posted by myth View PostAnyone else ever wonder why, after every school shooting here in the U.S. the resulting political discussions center around gun control instead of school security? Quite frankly, I'm not much interested in the gun control debate because I don't believe enacting further gun control will actually prove effective (in other words, I haven't seen reliable data showing a nation in a similar position as the U.S. both culturally and with regard to the number of guns owned, which has been able to enact gun control and achieve effective results).
But I digress. To me, I think it's more important that we should be talking about school security -- or rather, the lack thereof. As a country, we seem far more concerned with preventing fires in schools than we do preventing the violent deaths of our children. When's the last time you heard of a child dying from a fire at school in the U.S.? Yet we spend tons of money constructing schools with all kinds of fire-retardant materials, fire alarms, sprinkler systems, and fire extinguishers.
It doesn't cost so very much to provide a least a modicum of security but we resist the thought because most people are sheep and just want to hope the wolves won't ever actually come calling at their door. School security centers around a few basic principles:
-Single point of entry
-Security screening at the entry point (there are various ways to implement this, depending on what is practical)
-Armed security of some kind at the entry point (can be School Resource Officer, private security, or any trusted person trained in the use of their firearm)
-Randomized security screenings of students/staff (ideally they'd all be searched every time they enter the premises, but that's just not very practical)
Other things that can be somewhat helpful in optimizing school security:
-Bullet resistant window films on exterior and interior windows
-Classroom doors than can be locked with a dead-bolt style lock on the inside (or something similarly easy to lock, the idea being that during a crises event teachers will loose small motors skills due to stress and thus take a longer time to find their door key, fumble with it, and finally lock the door)
-Resource kits accessible to responding law enforcement officers with maps of the premises and master keys to access the entire facility unimpeded
-Frequent active shooter drills for students and staff, just like they do fire and tornado drills
-Video surveillance systems, with the someone trained and able to monitor the situation in a safe location and provide updates to responding law enforcement (most schools, or businesses for that matter, do not have such a set up and therefore their only usefulness is to document the bad things happening. Remember, video doesn't deter someone who plans on committing suicide anyways.)
I understand that we should also focus on the reason these shootings occur and work to minimize them. But its a problem we can't solve overnight, and in the mean time we're just being irresponsible by not implementing what security measures we can. We haven't seen it much in the U.S. yet, but what happens when terrorists decide to target our young school children like the Beslan incident in Russia? Schools are a prime target because we do little to protect them and they provide the potential for maximum emotional impact. Its a shame we aren't more interested in protecting them.
We also have to remember the security response to 9/11. The TSA has proven to be totally ineffective, and even practical measures like reinforced cockpit doors are questionable. Before any new policy, it should be determined whether the measure will be effective and whether the measure has unintended consequences.
Taking these two points into consideration, gun control would theoretically have a further-reaching effect than school security, since it would affect other types of shootings and not put a burden on schools.
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostI think a major issue is that while school shootings have great impact, they are not very frequent. Most schools will go many if not all of their years of operation without a school shooting. Because of this, some of the solutions you offer aren't very practical, especially since school budgets are so tight.
We also have to remember the security response to 9/11. The TSA has proven to be totally ineffective, and even practical measures like reinforced cockpit doors are questionable. Before any new policy, it should be determined whether the measure will be effective and whether the measure has unintended consequences.
Taking these two points into consideration, gun control would theoretically have a further-reaching effect than school security, since it would affect other types of shootings and not put a burden on schools.
How is gun control other than a liberal political club with which to bludgeon conservatives?
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