I know the international adoption process can be difficult. I know a guy who feels called to adopt an international orphan but has had difficulties over the last couple years. He and his wife are on their third attempted country and still trying to navigate a jungle of red tape. I don't know as much about the domestic process.
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"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by whag View PostNot at all. I recall Ansgar Seraph when he was here holding a very teneble and well thought out prolife position. Most of your brothers and sisters actually hold moderate prolife positions and wouldn't, for example, disingenuously call a zygote a baby."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Roy View PostThe problem with most of the pro-life crowd is that they demonise those who disagree with them, argue emotionally rather than factually, and misrepresent the actual positions of their adversaries. These are all signs associated with not having any valid arguments, and practically guaranteed not to change anyone's mind.
A couple of days ago, mountain_man posted a pro-life argument that was devoid of emotional appeals, misrepresentation, fallacies and inputs; and could be the basis for fruitful discussion and persuasion rather than adversarial entrenchment. Y'all could learn from him.
Roy
Irony at it's finest because I catch many pro abortionist doing the same thing. Pretty entertaining."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostWhen you can't refute what your opponent says, dive straight into character assassination!
Just so you know....
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostHey! My character is not assassinated by being called YEC!
Just so you know...."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI know the international adoption process can be difficult. I know a guy who feels called to adopt an international orphan but has had difficulties over the last couple years. He and his wife are on their third attempted country and still trying to navigate a jungle of red tape. I don't know as much about the domestic process.
How long does it take to adopt from foster care?
The freeing of a child for adoption through the termination of parental rights and the legal process of adoption are complex procedures. Families who are just beginning to explore whether or not adoption from foster care is right for them should plan on spending nine to 18 months, on average, to complete the inquiry, orientation, preparation classes (typically 24 to 30 hours over the course of several weeks), and homestudy requirements. In 2013, children spent an average of 12.3 months in foster care between the time when parental rights were terminated and their adoption.
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostJust because someone calls themselves Christian doesn't mean they really are. It's easy to say something, but actions speak louder than words.
Maybe if these families acknowledged that the early onset and strength of the sex drive has nothing to do with sin but rather the production of more offspring than could survive (due to predation, disease, and calamity), your children would be less interested in exploring something far more mundane than a "taboo" or, at least, have a birth control safeguard in place to lessen the chance your daughter will get pregnant to begin with.
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Originally posted by whag View PostKeep believing this failure isn't yours. Most of those are young woman who were raised in Christian homes.
Maybe if these families acknowledged that the early onset and strength of the sex drive has nothing to do with sin but rather the production of more offspring than could survive (due to predation, disease, and calamity), your children would be less interested in exploring something far more mundane than a "taboo" or, at least, have a birth control safeguard in place to lessen the chance your daughter will get pregnant to begin with.
Your attempts to inspire guilt in believers for the failure of the culture is misguided.
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostYou misunderstand the concept of salvation. Just because someone is raised in a Christian home doesn't mean that they are automatically Christians.
Originally posted by mossrose View PostThey may call themselves that, but there is no guarantee that being raised by believers means you will be a believer. Each person makes that choice on their own. The failure is not mine, but that of the culture of death, that tells young people they can have indiscriminate sex and not have to deal with the consequences.
Originally posted by mossrose View PostYour attempts to inspire guilt in believers for the failure of the culture is misguided.
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Originally posted by whag View PostNo, I understand it perfectly as it's not rocket science. I was saying Christian families,to an enormous degree, aren't effectively evangelizing their children, and that says volumes. Your teaching your progeny that science is a hoax has a lot to do with that.
Originally posted by WhagUm, no. The failure certainly is yours. You'd rather perceive yourself as doing everything right because that makes you feel comfortable and persist in your laziness.
Originally posted by WhagStop passing the buck and take responsibility for your actions.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Originally posted by tabibito View Postyup
Buying into the idea that perfectly normal development and need to establish relationships during the early teens is somehow inappropriate is not a matter of laziness, it is a matter of being duped.
Originally posted by tabibito View PostA matter that "pro-choice" advocates would do well to apply to themselves, surely. The idea that people should take responsibility for their actions would apply to taking appropriate steps when CHOOSING to become sexually active seems to escape them.
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostJust because someone calls themselves Christian doesn't mean they really are. It's easy to say something, but actions speak louder than words.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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1) The only ambivalence is in the question of personhood, not the question of humanity. Prolifers almost universally reject personhood as a criterion.
Where it is accepted the pro-life position is that we are to err on the side of the baby.
2) If you are old enough to consent you are old enough to face the consequences of your decisions. If you did not consent or were not old enough it is rarely the case that killing the baby will truly be best for you in the long run. Even in the limited case where killing the baby is best for the mother, other than life or limb being jeopardized, the killing of the baby is not justified.
3) Just because it doesn't meet some arbitrary requirement about capabilities that cannot be reasonably evaluated anyway doesn't mean it is any less human. Humanity, not personhood, is the correct criterion."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostYou misunderstand the concept of salvation. Just because someone is raised in a Christian home doesn't mean that they are automatically Christians.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYeah, if a cat crawled in an oven and gave birth to kittens, That doesn't make them muffins.
What else would you name them?"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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