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"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by seer View PostThis is stupid Tass. If you have a largely Christian or Muslim society then it would function just fine.And let's make it clear there is no diversity of thought with you leftists. As I have shown in thread after thread. It was not Christians who invented speech codes and Political Correctness.Again Tass, this is just silly. You can have social cohesion and cooperation in totalitarian states. And have for centuries, so your standard of social cohesion doesn't tell us anything.Except they did work. The largely Christian US has become one of the most potent forces in world history, and let me remind you Norway would be speaking German or Russia is not for the US. And you might be speaking Japanese.And we know what purely Secular states eventually turn into, just look at the former Soviet Union, Mao's China, Pol Pot's Cambodia, North Korea, Cuba, and more recently Venezuela where there is no longer any freedom of the press. Like speech codes and Political Correctness you leftists must curtail dissent.
Are the 1% of alpha males in primate groups restrained? And they don't need to be, they survive just fine, the group survives just fine. Your whole argument is just irrational Tass bro...
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Originally posted by Joel View PostThat's what I had thought, but Abigail was hypothesizing a difference. So I was interpreting her charitably to mean that she has only couple figurines, and not individual person figurines. And I was going on that assumption.
Actually my position is that all anti-discrimination laws should be repealed. It should be legal.
On the other hand, I think that prejudicial discrimination is bad.
But what I was pointing out to Tass is that even given the existing laws in the U.S., they don't force someone to stock goods they don't want to stock.
Whatever sign Abigail wants on her shop. She has to deal with her customer relations. Or perhaps no sign. My point wasn't that a sign should be required. My point was that a person's mere expectations should not be enforced upon others. A person's mistaken expectations are the person's own problem.
If there exists any objective moral standard, it will be divisive in a multicultural, diverse society. Such a standard is necessarily radical in the sense that any deviation from it is wrong, and that it is always condemning the (imperfect) status quo.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostYou mean “just fine” for the Muslims or Christians…what about everyone else? Furthermore we live in an increasingly multicultural, diverse world where religion is increasingly divisive.
Nonsense! “Diversity of thought” is precisely what you have without the imposed conformity of religious dogma; religion is totalitarian in essence.
Ah, so for you theocratic morality is about God granting national power, not about a divinely mandated code of behaviour? So, if you’re correct, Alexander the Great conquered the known world under the auspices of his pagan gods. <sarcasm>
What an absurdly inaccurate generalization. You’re confusing secular states with ideologically based totalitarian states…secular or religious. Neither permit dissent.
Yes, they’re restrained by rivals seeking to take their place, as were rival claimants to the throne in the days of absolute monarchies. The non-human primates of course don’t have the intellectual capacity to modify behavior over time in the same way we do.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostSocial animals such as us are evolutionarily predisposed to maintain social cohesion. It’s a survival thing. What's the alternative, doing what your imaginary deity wants? You can't even tell me what that is.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostYou're a fundy atheist. Your modus operandi is to try to deconvert Christians to your hopeless worldview. Jesus wasn't nice to the Pharisees. I don't have to be nice to someone who is just barfing out the same dumb fundy atheist canards. Know your little patch of vomit in Biblical Ethics? Repost that in the Tektonics area. I dare you.Blog: Atheism and the City
If your whole worldview rests on a particular claim being true, you damn well better have evidence for it. You should have tons of evidence.
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostIf an honest seeker asked: Because you should love your neighbor as yourself. If you asked: You already know why. Why do you think so?Blog: Atheism and the City
If your whole worldview rests on a particular claim being true, you damn well better have evidence for it. You should have tons of evidence.
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Originally posted by The Thinker View Postand yet you can't refute my arguments.... ha. Your worldview is all hope, no evidence, just like Scientology. I'm trying to spread reality, not fantasy. Your religion is dying every year and good riddance.If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by The Thinker View Postand yet you can't refute my arguments.... ha. Your worldview is all hope, no evidence, just like Scientology. I'm trying to spread reality, not fantasy. Your religion is dying every year and good riddance.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostI'm sorry, but anybody who quotes Thom Stark, as a serious source, does not deserve to be taken seriously.
Since you like elephant hurling though, try to refute this:
http://www.christianthinktank.com/qnoslave.html
Have fun. Many have tried and failed to refute it.
4.5.5.1 Enslavement
A citizen could not be enslaved against his will if independent or
without the permission of the person under whose authority he was
if a subordinate member of a household. The only exception was
enslavement by court order for commission of a crime or civil wrong.
Although in practice economic circumstances would often force a
person into slavery, in law his act was, strictly speaking, voluntary.
The foreigner, by contrast, could be enslaved through capture in
war, kidnapping, or force, unless protected by the local ruler or given
resident alien status. In the latter case, protection still might only be
partial. As a proverb puts it: "A resident alien in another city is a
slave."
Foreigners in Israel could be taken into slavery by force and kept for life just as Stark said in his quote and just as in Leviticus 25:44-46 says.
And here's some wonderful "objective" biblical wisdom of the ANE:
Causing the death of or injury
to a slave gave its owner a right to compensation as for loss of or
damage to an economic asset, no different than for an ox. The same
applied to the defloration of another's slave woman, which was treated
as an economic rather than a sexual offense.Blog: Atheism and the City
If your whole worldview rests on a particular claim being true, you damn well better have evidence for it. You should have tons of evidence.
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostYou have no valid arguments to refute. So, I'll just continue mocking you!Blog: Atheism and the City
If your whole worldview rests on a particular claim being true, you damn well better have evidence for it. You should have tons of evidence.
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Originally posted by The Thinker View PostLet's make this law today folks, since hey, morality isn't relative to time, place, and culture as the Christian fundies keep saying.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostReally Thinker? Where exactly was your evidence for your fictional objective moral standard? And even if there is no god, human beings are religious by nature, we may even be hard wired by the evolutionary process for belief. And it is not dying, you may exchange Christianity in the west for something else, and that something else may be Islam.Blog: Atheism and the City
If your whole worldview rests on a particular claim being true, you damn well better have evidence for it. You should have tons of evidence.
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Originally posted by The Thinker View PostWell you're the kind of person who will just keep asking why? why? why? why? why? why? as a reflex. I can do the same to you. You cannot refute the euthyphro dilemma, and if you cannot do that, you have no basis for divine command theory, which is your "objective" moral standard.
Stop trying to turn it around, show us how your moral ideal is objective. Or stop accusing us of "fantasy" when you have one of your own. It is amazing how some of you atheists need to borrow from theism to try and develop an objective moral standard - knowing that without it ethical systems are bankrupt.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostStop trying to turn it around, show us how your moral ideal is objective. Or stop accusing us of "fantasy" when you have one of your own. It is amazing how some of you atheists need to borrow from theism to try and develop an objective moral standard - knowing that without it ethical systems are bankrupt.If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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