Ireland recovering from Theocracy.

[seer]

How do you imagine this"golden age" might come about?

He must have seen the movie "Tomorrowland" this week end. Liberal utopia...

[Sam]

He must have seen the movie "Tomorrowland" this week end. Liberal utopia...

Walt Disney: Super-Liberal

[Bill the Cat]

No, enlightened, i.e. tolerant and accepting as opposed to bigoted and judgemental.

Tolerant and accepting of perversion... but just as bigoted and judgmental of those who have a different opinion.

[Cow Poke]

No, enlightened, i.e. tolerant and accepting as opposed to bigoted and judgemental.

Yeah, liberals always want tolerance and acceptance, except when they're in charge - like at universities, democratically controlled cities, or concerning things like religious liberty.....

[Cow Poke]

...we have sufficient empirical evidence....

I love it when you make this claim, Sam. I just can't understand why these guys continue to argue with you after that!

[Sam]

I love it when you make this claim, Sam. I just can't understand why these guys continue to argue with you after that!

I have spent many hours (weeks, even) describing the various studies to folks on this board, including you. If the Crash hadn't taken it all, I'd link back to 'em. To date, you haven't provided anything empirical to back your claims. I'm sitting on past work, true enough, but you're sitting on no work.

[Cow Poke]

I have spent many hours (weeks, even) describing the various studies to folks on this board, including you.

Well, not so much me, cause I'm only kinda sorta paying attention.

If the Crash hadn't taken it all, I'd link back to 'em.

Cool.

To date, you haven't provided anything empirical to back your claims.

Ummmmm... what claims am I making?

I'm sitting on past work, true enough, but you're sitting on no work.

Sam, calm yourself.... I'm just amused by your claim of "sufficient empirical evidence". If it were, indeed, sufficient.....

It kinda reminds me of the preacher who wrote in the margin of his sermon manuscript "weak point - yell louder".

[Sam]

Well, not so much me, cause I'm only kinda sorta paying attention.



Cool.



Ummmmm... what claims am I making?



Sam, calm yourself.... I'm just amused by your claim of "sufficient empirical evidence". If it were, indeed, sufficient.....

It kinda reminds me of the preacher who wrote in the margin of his sermon manuscript "weak point - yell louder".

My point was that I have, on this board and in threads where you (and a good number of current posters here) were an active participant, giving me some liberty in alluding to sufficient empirical evidence. Rather than being a "weak point," it's a point that I've strongly supported. No need to go through the trouble again unless there's a compelling need and an earnest audience.

[Cow Poke]

My point was that I have, on this board and in threads where you (and a good number of current posters here) were an active participant, giving me some liberty in alluding to sufficient empirical evidence. Rather than being a "weak point," it's a point that I've strongly supported. No need to go through the trouble again unless there's a compelling need and an earnest audience.

You really need to get a life, brother.

[Sam]

You really need to get a life, brother.

Hey, I ain't the guy randomly snarking at posts on the Internet ...

[Cow Poke]

Hey, I ain't the guy randomly snarking at posts on the Internet ...

And I ain't the guy using up half of the internet's entire search capability all by my lonesome.

But you do amuse me, so....

[JonathanL]

Are we there yet?

[lilpixieofterror]

That's your belief and you're entitled to it, but some of us have different view-points. As long as nobody is being harmed I have no issue with a legal institutions definition changing.

Different points of view still don't take care of the reality that children seem to do best, when they have a mom and dad, in a good relationship. The fact of the matter is that there's much out there that seems to show that if you want your children to have the best start in life, having a mom and dad in a decent family seems to be the best for the children involved.

You can still practice your beliefs and peacefully co-exist with gay marriage.

Like I have much of a choice in the matter.

[lilpixieofterror]

I was making a general point, as I assume you were when you wrote that hatred of gay people isn't the driving force behind opposition of same-sex marriage for many people. We were both making general statements.

Ok, so far so good.

Mutual edification, chastity, economic security, desire to rear children, etc. Marriage need not have a sole or even primary goal.

Which all of these goals can be done, without being married (believe it or not). You don't even really need a boyfriend/girlfriend to make two of them possible.

But for those who see marriage as principally about the family unit (i.e., spouses + children), we have sufficient empirical evidence showing that children of same-sex couples are developmentally similar to children of opposite-sex couples. It is unlikely, then, that any strong arguments against same-sex marriage can be made on the basis of the family unit.

Depending on what study you read. I've seen several articles, by the children of same sex couples, who say otherwise. What do they know though? They disagree with Sam so naturally, they have to be wrong.

[lilpixieofterror]

Enlightenment does not have a paradigm to agree with.

So I should stop hearing the snide comments against anything you disagree with, from now on. Right?