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Originally posted by Tassman View PostYou are using a lot of words, in itself the sign of a woolly argument, to express personal views which in my opinion are largely irrelevant to the matter under discussion. The issue is one of civil rights, i.e. the right to full legal, social, and economic opportunity extended equally to all citizens regardless of race, gender or sexual orientation. And this includes marriage. AFAIC this is all that needs to be said, the rest seems to be a rather frantic attempt to create problems where none exist.
2) Equal protection of freedom of association is equal for all citizens. Anti-discrimination laws, if anything, are unequal laws. (And you seem to be declining to engage with my arguments.)
3) Equal social/economic opportunity forced by law is not compatible with equality before the law. They can and do conflict. Your lumping them all together in that one sentence cannot be carried out coherently to its logical conclusions.
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Originally posted by pancreasman View PostHow about ... vote ... you know, like in a democracy. Consider putting your post in the mouth of Jesus in the sermon on the mount. Does it fit?"What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer
"... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostIMO that will just make things far worse.
Then again we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place if idiot conservatives hadn't adopted retarded equality and tolerance mantras and surrendered most industry and all major cultural institutions to them."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by pancreasman View PostHow about ... vote ... you know, like in a democracy. Consider putting your post in the mouth of Jesus in the sermon on the mount. Does it fit?"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostBecause you keep doing it. You are not the tweb police or the tweb nanny so get over yourself.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostYes it would be sinful for a couple to engage only in foreplay, no its not sinful for a couple to engage in foreplay during the conjugal act. If you believe otherwise provide sources, and no, citing a random catholic website won't constitute a source here.
You're free to play this game of you somehow being a world class expert on Catholicism. I can understand the temptation of wanting to one up me, somehow trap me, but you're not succeeding. You're making yourself look like a fool.
Originally posted by Leonhard View PostAt the bottom there's going to be some political principles in American politics I disagree with. However I don't see the problem with conscientious objection.
Secondly, I hope we can get away with gays using lawsuits to bully Christian business for ridiculous amounts of money. Do you agree that a payment of 150000$ is a ridiculous amount to be payed, for what amounts to be a refusal.Catholics and other Christians are fully allowed to vote for what they believe in.So you're basically just saying, that homosexual behavour takes place in animal groups? The reference to evolution is irrelevant, and your sentence would have the exact same meaning if all references to evolution had been removed?
"I see this as being about the behavioural instincts of social species such as that impel us towards community living..."
You're simple talking about the comparison between common animal groups, how they behave, and how we behave?In other words it does not apply to scholastic metaphysics, in as much as scholastic metaphysics is not engaged merely in pure reasoning, which was one place where Aristotle broke from Plato's philosophy. From pure reason you can't conclude much, except perhaps abstract laws of logic and math.
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Originally posted by MaxVel View PostIgnoramus. Using armchair philosophy to deny that philosophy is useful.
Originally posted by Joel View Post1) If (for example) bachelors do not get the same legal privileges as married people (e.g. they may be required to pay more in taxes), then bachelors do not have the same legal privileges. The law is not extended equally to all citizens. If equality before the law is important, then that has to be addressed.
2) Equal protection of freedom of association is equal for all citizens. Anti-discrimination laws, if anything, are unequal laws. (And you seem to be declining to engage with my arguments.)
3) Equal social/economic opportunity forced by law is not compatible with equality before the law. They can and do conflict. Your lumping them all together in that one sentence cannot be carried out coherently to its logical conclusions.Last edited by Tassman; 04-28-2015, 12:54 AM.
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Originally posted by lao tzu View PostOh bullcrap. Telling someone they're hyperventilating isn't nannying or policing. I'm not sure what it is, but it's not either of those. I don't care if "nannying" is passing you cash under the table to have you adopt it as your favorite word. If you don't use it the way everyone else does, it don't mean squat.
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Are these cake people refusing to sell gay people cakes or are they just not providing services for same-sex weddings? Because technically anyone can have a same-sex wedding, I would assume they wouldn't provide straight people with a cake with two grooms either"Some people feel guilty about their anxieties and regard them as a defect of faith but they are afflictions, not sins. Like all afflictions, they are, if we can so take them, our share in the passion of Christ." - That Guy Everyone Quotes
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Originally posted by hamster View PostAre these cake people refusing to sell gay people cakes or are they just not providing services for same-sex weddings? Because technically anyone can have a same-sex wedding, I would assume they wouldn't provide straight people with a cake with two grooms eitherAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by hamster View PostAre these cake people refusing to sell gay people cakes or are they just not providing services for same-sex weddings? Because technically anyone can have a same-sex wedding, I would assume they wouldn't provide straight people with a cake with two grooms either"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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