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Convince Me That I Should Buy "Fair Trade" Goods
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostAnd why should anybody?
"there, there" indeed.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostSo your strategy is to assume and dismiss. We knew that.
"You really think not buying these products stops anything?"
"You are talking about not buying a product because it came from a country you disapprove of."
"You are trying to do the very least that you can, while patting yourself on the back."
2. That is the definition of "Fair Trade". If you are part of the "Fair Trade" movement, you boycott products from countries whose policies you disagree with.
3. That was an opinion.
I think before you use big words like "straw man", you should at the very least understand the definition of the word. Just to give you a heads up while conversating with someone, It's not good form to try an misuse logical fallacies in order to not answer questions. Just FYI."Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)
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Originally posted by Jesse View Post1. That was a question. One you didn't answer. You could tell it was a question, by the question mark.
2. That is the definition of "Fair Trade". If you are part of the "Fair Trade" movement, you boycott products from countries whose policies you disagree with.
3. That was an opinion.
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostI take it as a rhetorical question that implicitly attributes a position - that I "really think not buying these products stops anything" - to me.
"not buying a product because it came from a country you disapprove of" isn't my position.
No one said it was your position. How can I say anything about your position when you didn't give me one? All you gave me was this:
So slavery matters not. Neither does child labour. Nor wanton destruction of the environment.
It is a misrepresentation of my position - that I "am trying to do the very least that you can, while patting yourself on the back"; it is also an attack on my character. Substantiate it or retract it.Last edited by Jesse; 10-24-2014, 12:49 PM."Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)
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Originally posted by Jesse View PostThat would have been your first mistake. Instead of taking a question the way you want, how about instead just taking the question and answering it? Talk about mind reading.
No one said it was your position. How can I say anything about your position when you didn't give me one? All you gave me was this:
You attributed a position to me that was not mine.
Which if you didn't know, is an actual straw man argument.
Don't go catching the vapors just yet. As I showed above, you gave me no position I could make a misrepresentation of.
My opinion of those in the "Fair Trade" movement is just that, an opinion. So no, you will not get a retraction of my opinion on the movement. If you want to consider that a personal attack, I don't really care.
Now, would you like to make an actual argument that can be discussed?
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostIndeed, you're one to talk.
You attributed a position to me that was not mine.
No, it's a reductio ad absurdum.
Yet you felt very free to attribute a certain position to me.
"You are trying to do the very least that you can, while patting yourself on the back" was directed at me, was it not?
It is very clear that no profitable discussion can be had with you, so I will not waste any more of my time."Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostI take it as a rhetorical question that implicitly attributes a positionThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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