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  • Convince Me That I Should Buy "Fair Trade" Goods

    OK - full disclosure... I confess total ignorance and full bias here. I think Fair Trade is pretty much useless, or something that the rich can do to make themselves "feel better" about spending money.

    But I have never really looked into it til today because of a discussion in another thread. So, I'm starting to look into it, and am not encouraged by what I see to spend extra for "fair trade" goods.

    Here's my post from another thread....



    It seems like "Fair Trade" is related to "everybody is equal, but some are more equal than others".

    Surprise! Fairtrade Doesn't Benefit The Poor Peasants


    Source: Forbes (citing School of Oriental Studies of London)



    What did surprise us is how wages are typically lower, and on the whole conditions worse, for workers in areas with Fairtrade organisations than for those in other areas.

    Careful statistical analysis allowed us to separate out the possible effects of other factors, such as the scale of production. Still, the differences were in most cases, and especially for wages, statistically significant. Explaining why it should be that workers in areas dominated by Fairtrade organisations are so often worse off than workers in other areas is a complex and challenging task. Our full report explores some possible reasons.

    It was also surprising to learn that many people do not benefit from the “community” projects supported with funds generated by the “social premium” consumers pay for Fairtrade products. Researchers at London’s School of Oriental and African Studies (Soas) found that many of the poorest are unable to use these facilities. In one Fairtrade tea co-operative the modern toilets funded with the premium were exclusively for the use of senior co-op managers.

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    Also, see here.

    Convince me that I should pay MORE for goods because it actually benefits somebody in a meaningful way. And, what about the costs of overseeing this - who else profits? How does it work - who "manages" the process?
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    I occasionally will buy "Fair Trade" goods, like specialty coffees
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    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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    "Fair Trade" is one of those political buzz words that has no real meaning. Like "Organic Foods".
    "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Jesse View Post
      "Fair Trade" is one of those political buzz words that has no real meaning. Like "Organic Foods".
      In the article I cited, it's a very LIBERAL organization doing the analysis, so it's not like FOX NEWS is coming down on this - but the mention of "senior co-op managers" makes me think it's nothing more than a labor union, where you have "union bosses" and a whole organization complete with salaries, budgets, executive directors....

      but, again, I'm just in the learning process.
      "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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      • #4
        I don't know a whole lot about it. At this point in my life, I don't think I'm in the financial position to even consider shopping along these lines. I do support consumers encouraging companies to try to know who they're buying things from. This came up a few years ago when there was that fire in that factory in Bangladesh, and companies like Wal-Mart were being asked questions about where they were getting their clothes.
        "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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        • #5
          Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
          I don't know a whole lot about it. At this point in my life, I don't think I'm in the financial position to even consider shopping along these lines. I do support consumers encouraging companies to try to know who they're buying things from. This came up a few years ago when there was that fire in that factory in Bangladesh, and companies like Wal-Mart were being asked questions about where they were getting their clothes.
          Good point - I WILL avoid buying goods I know are tied to bad conditions, but I think the market sorts that out.
          "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            Good point - I WILL avoid buying goods I know are tied to bad conditions, but I think the market sorts that out.
            Why should it? If you have your laborers work in unsafe conditions or use child labour, for example, labour costs will tend to be cheaper.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Paprika View Post
              Why should it? If you have your laborers work in unsafe conditions or use child labour, for example, labour costs will tend to be cheaper.
              Public relations.
              "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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              • #8
                I don't know much about what "free trade" entails, but I am a big supporter of buying American. Everything I'm wearing now was made in the US, some made by union workers.
                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  Public relations.

                  Which is why Apple still uses Foxconn as a supplier, for instance.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Paprika View Post

                    Which is why Apple still uses Foxconn as a supplier, for instance.
                    And is why I don't use apple products.

                    except my iphone which I bought way back before I started looking at all this
                    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      And is why I don't use apple products.

                      except my iphone which I bought way back before I started looking at all this
                      And how much did public relations matter?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Paprika View Post
                        And how much did public relations matter?
                        I concede that point -- but you don't seem to be defending Fair Trade so much. Can I buy a "fair trade" smart phone?
                        "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                          I concede that point -- but you don't seem to be defending Fair Trade so much. Can I buy a "fair trade" smart phone?
                          No you can't. Because it only connects to other "Fair Trade" phone users. And who really wants to talk to hipsters all day?
                          "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            Good point - I WILL avoid buying goods I know are tied to bad conditions, but I think the market sorts that out.
                            You really shouldn't. Almost everything from the beginning of human history that has been made, was tied to bad conditions. Of course "bad conditions" is relative really. None of this really matters in the long run. I also have a selfish interest in this. I don't want to see a bunch of naked people running around and clogging up the streets because they found out where all of their clothes and cars where made.
                            "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Jesse View Post
                              You really shouldn't. Almost everything from the beginning of human history that has been made, was tied to bad conditions. Of course "bad conditions" is relative really. None of this really matters in the long run
                              So slavery matters not. Neither does child labour. Nor wanton destruction of the environment.

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