CP Remember how SPeg was last time about a case like this (Zimmerman trial). His mind is made up. He don't need no stinkin' facts!
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Re: Michael Brown
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWow no need for an investigation then huh? Because you have already decided that it was a senseless killing.
The police officer said that MB rushed him, pushed the car door against him then ran away. He then stopped turned around and ran back at the officer. At which time he was shot. Now doesn't that sound like it needs some investigating?Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.--Isaiah 1:17
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWow no need for an investigation then huh? Because you have already decided that it was a senseless killing.
The police officer said that MB rushed him, pushed the car door against him then ran away. He then stopped turned around and ran back at the officer. At which time he was shot. Now doesn't that sound like it needs some investigating?
What makes this difficult is idiots who think they have it all figured out and shoot their mouths off without having ALL the facts.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostCP Remember how SPeg was last time about a case like this (Zimmerman trial). His mind is made up. He don't need no stinkin' facts!Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.--Isaiah 1:17
I don't think that all forms o[f] slavery are inherently immoral.--seer
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Originally posted by square_peg View PostIt's senseless to respond by shooting an unarmed teenager six times, hitting him in areas that would kill him.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by square_peg View PostIt's senseless to respond by shooting an unarmed teenager six times, hitting him in areas that would kill him.
Why would someone rush at someone who is holding a gun on them unless they wanted to attack that person and take them by surprise? Would you?
And police aren't trained to shoot to wound. They shoot to kill. They don't have the time to try to wing someone, nor are handguns that accurate. This isn't hollywood. They shoot center mass (torso), and they shoot till the guy goes down. Any headshots or shots to the arms or legs are the misses, not what the cop was aiming for.Last edited by Sparko; 08-18-2014, 03:44 PM.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou weren't there -- you don't know what actually happened.Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.--Isaiah 1:17
I don't think that all forms o[f] slavery are inherently immoral.--seer
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Originally posted by square_peg View PostThat's right, I wasn't there. But I *do* know at least part of what happened because we have autopsy reports and other data, and they show that an unarmed teenager was shot six times, which is senseless and should never occur.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIt was something like that. I will have to go back and check it. But you do seem to just make up your mind without having any more facts than you hear in the initial news reports.
General George PattonThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by square_peg View PostThat's right, I wasn't there. But I *do* know at least part of what happened because we have autopsy reports and other data, and they show that an unarmed teenager was shot six times, which is senseless and should never occur.
Perhaps you are unaware of the fact that a police officer is justified in shooting in most states if he is reasonably in fear for his life, or the lives of others around him.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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The family commissioned an autopsy that shows six wounds, all from the front. This conflicts with the accounts of the victim being shot in the back. Further, two of the wounds are consistent with the victim either charging the officer or surrendering - the medical examiner stated he could not determine which.
The clothes were not available for GSR testing in this examination. The state has not released its autopsy findings yet. A third is scheduled."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by square_peg View PostWe have actual facts already, and they tell us that the killing was senseless and the police mismanaged the situation. Namely, we know that an unarmed teenager with no criminal record was shot six times by a police officer and was consequently killed. That's senseless and unacceptable. We also know that the police arrested journalists and tried to interfere with recordings, and that they then fired tear gas canisters, smoke bombs and rubber bullets not only on the street, but also into people's backyards. That's a mismanagement of the situation. There are still plenty of things we don't know, but of the facts that we already have, we can certainly make these judgments. What facts are you waiting for?
Long story short, if you try to take a police officer's weapon you've just turned the fight into a deadly force situation. I'm not going to just lay down, let you take my own gun and kill me with it."If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostThe family commissioned an autopsy that shows six wounds, all from the front. This conflicts with the accounts of the victim being shot in the back. Further, two of the wounds are consistent with the victim either charging the officer or surrendering - the medical examiner stated he could not determine which.
The clothes were not available for GSR testing in this examination. The state has not released its autopsy findings yet. A third is scheduled.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by myth View PostNow we've seen video of him assaulting a store owner and committing a robbery minutes before the confrontation with the police officer. It's fair to say Brown probably thought he was about to be arrested for the robbery, and this explains his behavior. I can only say that people who think the video is not relevant are being willfully ignorant.
Whether the officer knew or NOT that Brown had just robbed the store, BROWN knew it, AND, apparently, had been smoking marijuana. It goes to "state of mind".
Here's what a lot of people don't realize when there's a "tussle" with police. The officer is not allowed to use deadly force unless his life (or those around him) is in jeopardy. That situation drastically changes, as you so eloquently point out, when there's an effort to get the officer's duty weapon, because the subject is NOT under the same rules of engagement as the officer.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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