Re: Michael Brown

[Juvenal]

The truth NEVER seems to matter to you in these cases, Jimmy.

Said CP, just before citing Breitbart!

First, Byers said "more than a dozen," not "dozens." Next, it was a tweet, not a story. And last, it's one she's since retracted as not meeting the standards for publication.



And that's what you get for citing Breitbart.

Faceplant.

Notice the since-deleted Anderson Cooper tweet leading that off? Remember what I said about CNN choosing the former?



Stick with the New York Times.

As ever, Jesse

[Cow Poke]

Said CP, just before citing Breitbart!

Yes, absolutely, because Breitbart cited it, it MUST be wrong. And the New York Times ALWAYS gets it right.

[Juvenal]

That is a totally fair statement. Let it also be noted, however, that I've been challenging this "militarizaton" of police departments. I can be, at times, critical of the way cops do business. I was also quite forthright in agreeing that our officer screwed up in the case of the "dynamic entry" on which I had started a thread about our District Attorney's reluctance to press charges of capital murder on the guy who killed our officer.

I did note that. I do believe you try to be dispassionate.

As ever, Jesse

[Juvenal]

Yes, absolutely, because Breitbart cited it, it MUST be wrong. And the New York Times ALWAYS gets it right.

Climb down, CP. I didn't just say it's wrong because it's Breitbart. I proved it.

[Cow Poke]

Climb down, CP. I didn't just say it's wrong because it's Breitbart. I proved it.

Relax, Jesse -- I'm just pulling your chain.

[Juvenal]

Relax, Jesse -- I'm just pulling your chain.

I'm wearing yellow to your barbecue.

[robrecht]

Yes, absolutely, because Breitbart cited it, it MUST be wrong. ...

If I understand correctly, Breitbart was citing Christine Byers, who herself does not give much importance to her own tweet. Did she have only one source, perhaps one within the police department? Why would she say it was not up to publication standards? We do not know. There is plenty of bias on both sides of this incident and lots of room for honest people to interpret statements differently. Were the sources in favor of the officer saying that it was not true that he was shot in the back, ie, all or none of the shots came from behind? Lots of variables that we cannot hope to unravel from a deleted post. Perhaps she had one source but it was a very reliable source who had personally interviewed many witnesses. We just do not know, but I don't think this deleted tweet can be used as proof of anything.

[Cow Poke]

I'm wearing yellow to your barbecue.

Rogue put you up to that, didn't he?

[Cow Poke]

If I understand correctly, Breitbart was citing Christine Byers, who herself does not give much importance to her own tweet. Did she have only one source, perhaps one within the police department?

Supposedly she had multiple sources within the police department, but, we have yet to hear from those witnesses.

Why would she say it was not up to publication standards? We do not know.

It would make sense to assume that it was because it was police officials (who might have a bias) speaking off the record.

There is plenty of bias on both sides of this incident and lots of room for honest people to interpret statements differently.

There are a number of things that absolutely do not make sense, however. Like the officer sitting IN his patrol vehicle, grabbing 6'4" Brown by the throat, and trying to drag him into the front seat of the patrol unit.

Were the sources in favor of the officer saying that it was not true that he was shot in the back, ie,

I'm not understanding that question.

all or none of the shots came from behind? Lots of variables that we cannot hope to unravel from a deleted post.

I was speaking to Jimmy's assertion that ALL of the witnesses say he was surrendering when the fatal shot was fired, to wit:

The testimony from all the witnesses was that he was facing the officer with his hands in the air when the fatal shots were fired.

Simply not true.

[rogue06]

So do you, as shown below, but when detailed testimony is corroborated by other independent witnesses you can no longer dismiss it.

That is false, the only thing that explains the arm wounds are that he was either shot with his back turned as he ran away, or that he was shot while facing the officer with his hands in the air.

And nobody denies that to be the case. The testimony from all the witnesses was that he was facing the officer with his hands in the air when the fatal shots were fired.

Some? I've so far heard one garbled and confusing video from Brietbart no less, not from the witness himself. On the other hand we have corroborating evidence from 3 independent sources that he merely turned and put his hands in the air when he was fatally shot twice in the head.

Doesn't matter, his testimony is corroborated in detail.

only explanation" for the arm wound is utter nonsense.

Pretty much what we expect from you JimL

[rogue06]

Yes, but I already knew I was.

Um... CP? Dear brother of mine. That was what the test said about my results (I scored 3 out of 3).

[rogue06]

Doesn't matter, they are independent witnesses whose stories are identical.

Including multiple eyewitness accounts that claim he was gunned down from behind -- shot in the back. OTOH there are also accounts that say Brown was coming toward Wilson when he was shot.

Fail better.

[Cow Poke]

Um... CP? Dear brother of mine. That was what the test said about my results (I scored 3 out of 3).

[rogue06]

Said CP, just before citing Breitbart!



First, Byers said "more than a dozen," not "dozens." Next, it was a tweet, not a story. And last, it's one she's since retracted as not meeting the standards for publication.



And that's what you get for citing Breitbart.

Faceplant.

Notice the since-deleted Anderson Cooper tweet leading that off? Remember what I said about CNN choosing the former?



Stick with the New York Times.

As ever, Jesse

Saying that something doesn't meet the standards for publication is not the same as retracting it.

[rogue06]

I'm wearing yellow to your barbecue.

Psst... I'll be handing out yellow baseball caps in the driveway