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WWII Vet Declines Private Meeting with Obama on D-Day Anniversary
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I may be wrong, Z, but I think he was referring to the sliding of the union of independent states into the nationstate we seem to have now. Darth will set us straight though.
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One of the few things that I've learned from Civics is that President Obama cannot, in fact, be criticized*. For all practical purposes, he is the perfect leader.
I've also learned that "scandal" means nothing anymore.
*Unless you're criticizing him for not being liberal enough.
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Originally posted by Zymologist View Postlao tzu (and others):
In your mind, is it possible for us lowly conservatives to offer any criticism of the current administration at all, without it being "bashing" (or racist, bigoted, etc.)?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAm I reading you wrong, or is your criticism directed more at the conservative's than at the Obama administration on these issues?
My criticism of "conservatives" is related to their inability to address these failures in the Obama administration's policies, being continually distracted by conspiracy theories and the next 50 votes to repeal the laws of arithmetic that dictate the House can't repeal ACA on its own. The caution quotes are related to the fact that these are, for the most part, criticisms of the Tea Party wing of conservatism.
As ever, Jesse
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Originally posted by lao tzu View PostThere are any number of meaningful criticisms of administration policy open to conservatives. A while back, I posted to CP my list of issues with the Obama administration, including, as best I recall, failures regarding:
Honesty, of course, would make you look insane. The liberal must obfuscate, if not outright lie in order to obtain and maintain power. That's what generally happens when you build a coalition on telling losers that they're really just winners who were denied their crown.
Climate change is real
Health insurance saves lives
Guantanamo is an embarrassment
American means immigrant
Full-time work should pay for basic food and shelter
As ever, Jesse
Mass immigration.
Living wages.
Pick one.
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Originally posted by lao tzu View PostDear Z,
Please note I do not consider conservatism a "low" position, excluding the Tea Party wing of course, assuming, perhaps without cause, that one considers the TP a conservative movement. I don't.
There are any number of meaningful criticisms of administration policy open to conservatives. A while back, I posted to CP my list of issues with the Obama administration, including, as best I recall, failures regarding:
Climate policy
ACA
Guantanamo
Immigration reform
Minimum wage revision
Well, I'm sure the first three were on there, but I can't fully vouch for the last two.
There's no real risk of "etc." in these given a few fairly conservative caveats:
Climate change is real
Health insurance saves lives
Guantanamo is an embarrassment
American means immigrant
Full-time work should pay for basic food and shelter
As ever, Jesse
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostJesse, it wasn't because of your comments about the article, but the way you responded to CP when he said his dad was a vet. You mocked him.
If that's the impression you were left with, I can only say it wasn't intended. But the author is responsible not merely for their intentions but for making their message clear to the intended audience, regardless, so that's my bad.
Certainly, I "accepted" his invitation to mock his dad, but that was just an attention-getter, much like CP's insertion of his dad into the conversation; I "took" the invitation, but I didn't follow through. The mockery, as OBP noted, was of the article, in the form of a parody.
Veteran status isn't sufficient endorsement for an article that was blatantly misleading in its association of a punch-line quote with a well-known veteran who clearly did not deliver that quote. Doing so opens the door to criticism.
As ever, Jesse
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Originally posted by Zymologist View Postlao tzu (and others):
In your mind, is it possible for us lowly conservatives to offer any criticism of the current administration at all, without it being "bashing" (or racist, bigoted, etc.)?
Please note I do not consider conservatism a "low" position, excluding the Tea Party wing of course, assuming, perhaps without cause, that one considers the TP a conservative movement. I don't.
There are any number of meaningful criticisms of administration policy open to conservatives. A while back, I posted to CP my list of issues with the Obama administration, including, as best I recall, failures regarding:
Climate policy
ACA
Guantanamo
Immigration reform
Minimum wage revision
Well, I'm sure the first three were on there, but I can't fully vouch for the last two.
There's no real risk of "etc." in these given a few fairly conservative caveats:
Climate change is real
Health insurance saves lives
Guantanamo is an embarrassment
American means immigrant
Full-time work should pay for basic food and shelter
As ever, Jesse
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lao tzu (and others):
In your mind, is it possible for us lowly conservatives to offer any criticism of the current administration at all, without it being "bashing" (or racist, bigoted, etc.)?
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI found this on the Daily Beast:
Why does it not surprise me that your little pea brain would come to this conclusion just because a nice old WWII Veteran exercised his right to express his own opinion.
From his LinkedIn page:
([sic] as appropriate)
TWO THINGS, Jimmy ---
A) note that he credits the ATOM BOMB with saving him from having to invade Japan!
2) He is an Obama supporter (as is his right) who hoped he would live long enough to meet Obama at the 70th D-Day ceremony.
I'm glad he did.
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Originally posted by lao tzuIf Brooks isn't a conservative, then neither is Buckley.
Originally posted by Peter BrimelowLosing Mum And Pup also makes clear the personal failings that made Buckley such a disaster for the American Conservative Movement and (particularly interesting to me) to the cause of patriotic immigration reform, which he encouraged some of us to champion in National Review before stabbing us in the back and handing the magazine over to hostile neoconservatives and GOP publicists.
By the 1980s, WFB was quite incapable of fulfilling the leadership role he still insisted upon. And it was the conservative movement, and America, that paid the truly cruel price.As to the veterans thing ... *snort*
Yes, I am. And so was my dad, who also served in WWII, and also landed on the beach on D-Day.
And so was my grand-dad, who served in WWI. I was with him at the Palmer House in Chicago when he handed over the Last Man's Cup from Ambulance Company 129 to the National Archives.
I could keep on going, back through the Revolutionary War, because, as it so happens, I'm an American veteran from at least as long a line of American veterans as anyone here, and almost certainly longer.
Folks wanting to play the veteran's card to score cheap political tricks need to get over the fact that it's not a partisan brickbat to use for bashing the Commander in Chief.
And it sure the hell shouldn't be used for doing so on D-Day.
Unless you're the National Review.
*smirk*
All in all, a noble effort to protect yourself, but next time come back with an apology, an "I was drunk," or a "My Republican boyfriend logged in on my account by mistake."
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Originally posted by JimL View PostVets are no different than the general population in that they all have their own opinions. Heres one for you: Irving Smolens, a veteran who fought at Normandy at the age of 19, stepped out from the crowd of veterans attending the D-Day events and took hold of Obamas hand and wouldn't let go until he said his peace. The conversation couldn't be heard over the crowd of course, so Smolens was tracked down by a reporter who asked him: "what did you say to Obama", Smolens reply was, "I thanked him for keeping us out of war."
Well, I guess that says it all then, Obama as Commander and Chief, is beloved by all veterans!
From his LinkedIn page:
([sic] as appropriate)
TWO THINGS, Jimmy ---
A) note that he credits the ATOM BOMB with saving him from having to invade Japan!
2) He is an Obama supporter (as is his right) who hoped he would live long enough to meet Obama at the 70th D-Day ceremony.
I'm glad he did.Last edited by Cow Poke; 06-07-2014, 07:04 PM.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostVets are no different than the general population in that they all have their own opinions. Heres one for you: Irving Smolens, a veteran who fought at Normandy at the age of 19, stepped out from the crowd of veterans attending the D-Day events and took hold of Obamas hand and wouldn't let go until he said his peace. The conversation couldn't be heard over the crowd of course, so Smolens was tracked down by a reporter who asked him: "what did you say to Obama", Smolens reply was, "I thanked him for keeping us out of war." Well, I guess that says it all then, Obama as Commander and Chief, is beloved by all veterans!
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThe last line of this article, which I have bolded, sums up what my own Dad, also a WWII Vet, feels about Obama:
Last edited by JimL; 06-07-2014, 06:46 PM.
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