Personally I don't see the deal. He can't do it after all.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostPersonally I don't see the deal. He can't do it after all.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWe are recognizing it for what it is. You, however, are seeing FAR more than is there.
No. It's really not.
No, Jim, we're simply not totally flipping out.
And as I pointed out, I have good company. I linked to a piece by george will, a truly brilliant man no stranger to history or politics, and not prone to hysteria. The bottom line is your attempts to pretend there is something wrong with me relative to the concern I have on this is simply your own display of your own ignorance of what Trump is doing in the context of history.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostAs I said, those minimizing what trump is trying to do are the ones in the wrong here.
Freedom is only retained if those that love it remain vigilant and have no tolerance for those that would take it.
And as I pointed out, I have good company.
I linked to a piece by george will, a truly brilliant man no stranger to history or politics, and not prone to hysteria.
The bottom line is your attempts to pretend
there is something wrong with me relative to the concern I have on this is simply your own display of your own ignorance of what Trump is doing in the context of history.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIn your opinion.
You are not free, Jim. Trump has you in a cage.
Just about every anti-Christian bigot on this board?
Will is entitled to his opinions, as well.
This is a dishonest accusation - I am not "attempting to pretend" anything, and I wish you would drop that kind of incivility.
It is my opinion that you are allowing this extreme hatred of Trump to distort everything you read and hear about him, and take it to absolute extremes. I don't "attempt to pretend" that --- that is my sincere opinion.
The problem here is not my reaction to those things, but rather your own indifference to them.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 08-02-2020, 08:33 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostWhat you are doing here is mild gaslighting CP.
That's not what's happening here at all.
And the reason I point to george will is to help you recognize that fact.
His opinions are my own, though I am not deriving my opinions from him. He is not some lightweight you can dismiss because you think his thinking is unclear or muddled by whatever excuse you use to dismiss my words. The simple reality is my issues with Trump are not based on an irrational 'hatred', but rather genuine and legitimate concern over his destructive behavior, especially when it undermines our relationship with our allies, or abuses our constitution, or abuses people and populations of people.
The problem here is not my reaction to those things, but rather your own indifference to them.
I am praying for him as directed by God's Word.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThere are many both here and writing opinion pieces in various news outlets that recognize what is happening, what Trump is doing. I am neither alone nor extreme in my concern or assessment of the situation.
George Will is one of them.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...outputType=amp
(1) The WaPo ranks low as an objective source on anything regard Trump, IMHO.
(2) AFAIK George Will is a 'never Trumper' - he quit the Republican party in 2016 when Trump was nominated. IOW, he's not at all objective.
(3) Since I have good reason to believe that you are hopelessly biased, prejudiced and irrational when it comes to Trump; plus ready to become personally abusive and hostile when your views are challenged, I take your negative opinion as possible evidence for the opposite of what you shriek about.
It's possible that Trump is using some negative psychology: He thinks the Dems would like a delay, so this pushes them to publicly denounce the mere suggestion of a possible delay. Also the timing of it draws attention away from other concurrent news. Also it possibly allows a push for other public events (like opening schools etc) since we 'must have' an election. Also makes mail in voting etc an issue in the public mind, and thus possibly makes cheating using that less likely.
There's a bunch of possible explanations for Trump's question....>>> Witty remark or snarky quote of another poster goes here <<<...
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Originally posted by MaxVel View Post(2) AFAIK George Will is a 'never Trumper' - he quit the Republican party in 2016 when Trump was nominated. IOW, he's not at all objective.
And is partly why I never bother with the plethora of political "talking heads" anymore. What's the point? You either nod in agreement or get aggravated with them. They almost never offer a viewpoint that I haven't already considered.
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Originally posted by MaxVel View Post(1) The WaPo ranks low as an objective source on anything regard Trump, IMHO.
(2) AFAIK George Will is a 'never Trumper' - he quit the Republican party in 2016 when Trump was nominated. IOW, he's not at all objective.
(3) Since I have good reason to believe that you are hopelessly biased, prejudiced and irrational when it comes to Trump; plus ready to become personally abusive and hostile when your views are challenged, I take your negative opinion as possible evidence for the opposite of what you shriek about.
It's possible that Trump is using some negative psychology: He thinks the Dems would like a delay, so this pushes them to publicly denounce the mere suggestion of a possible delay. Also the timing of it draws attention away from other concurrent news. Also it possibly allows a push for other public events (like opening schools etc) since we 'must have' an election. Also makes mail in voting etc an issue in the public mind, and thus possibly makes cheating using that less likely.
There's a bunch of possible explanations for Trump's question.
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostI mean, he revealed highly classified intelligence to the Russian ambassador after inviting him into the white house, within a few months of taking office.
If that wasn't enough to alarm the people who support him, literally nothing ever could.
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Originally posted by little_monkey View PostYou have to admire the sweet deal Trump has suckered from his fan base: he is able to get all the credits, none of the blame, all of the time. AND to top it all, fan base always wins, regardless..."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by little_monkey View PostYou have to admire the sweet deal Trump has suckered from his fan base: he is able to get all the credits, none of the blame, all of the time. AND to top it all, fan base always wins, regardless...
It's with Republicans who are happy to have American values and institutions undermined. They're eager to throw their own supposed values under the bus, as long as it facilitates the aforementioned undermining. They wallow in lies and misinformation, and oppose anything/everything which comes from outside the in-group.
They're fundamentally unAmerican.
ps. there can be reasonable Republicans / conservatives - but they've gone very very quiet (for the most part)...Last edited by Whateverman; 08-02-2020, 11:35 AM.
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostThe problem with Trump isn't actually Trump.
It's with Republicans who are happy to have American values and institutions undermined.
Last edited by rogue06; 08-02-2020, 11:44 AM.
I'm always still in trouble again
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostThe problem with Trump isn't actually Trump.
It's with Republicans who are happy to have American values and institutions undermined. They're eager to throw their own supposed values under the bus, as long as it facilitates the aforementioned undermining. They wallow in lies and misinformation, and oppose anything/everything which comes from outside the in-group.
They're fundamentally unAmerican.
ps. there can be reasonable Republicans / conservatives - but they've gone very very quiet (for the most part)...
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