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How much of this is Trump's fault?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostExactly, that's CP's MO.
He pretends to be neutral
while continuing to excuse and defend one side while disparaging the other. He thinks people can't see through that.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Zero View PostPrediction from MM, it's just a like the flu.
Originally posted by Zero View PostReality so far, over 128,000 (more than twice a severe flu season) and it's far from over.
But even if that is reality, that is far, far below predictions, and it's only as high as it is because Democrat controlled states like New York and New Jersey botched their response and account for nearly 50% of all deaths attributed to the China flu in the US. We were supposed to have a million dead so far with tens of millions infected and suffering, our hospitals were supposed to have been overrun, we were supposed to be looking at severe ventilator shortages even with ramped up production. It hasn't happened. Not even close. Instead, hospitals are sitting mostly empty, nurses and doctors have been laid off, ambulance drivers and EMTs are twiddling their thumbs due to lack of work, emergency field hospitals set up by our military at great cost have been dismantled, in some cases without seeing a single patient, we have more ventilators than we know what to with.
I think the US is doing pretty well, all things considered. We just need to let people go back to work so that the economic recovery can begin.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Chuckles View PostHere is what MM said:
Originally posted by Mountain ManIs the coronavirus really any worse than the common flu?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostOriginally posted by Charles View PostHere is what MM said:Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostDid you know that the gal from the CDC who waited until Trump was out of the country to attempt to induce panic by screaming, "We're all going to die!" is Rod Rosenstein's sister?
https://theconservativetreehouse.com...steins-sister/
Is the coronavirus really any worse than the common flu?
You don't have to be honest with me, or even the rest of us here - but at least be honest with yourself: you weren't asking a question.
You were calling the severity of the pandemic into question.Last edited by Whateverman; 06-28-2020, 10:33 AM.
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It's everybody's fault. Americans have 0 social cohesion."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Whateverman View Post... after a linked article from a right-wing media source, saying the CDC was hysterical, and that the pandemic panic came from someone who is closely tied to people who tried to take down Trump.
You don't have to be honest with me, or even the rest of us here - but at least be honest with yourself: you weren't asking a question.
You were calling the severity of the pandemic into question.
Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post[...]By all accounts, this is shaping up to be another worldwide panic that's not living up to the hype.
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Originally posted by Whateverman View Post... after a linked article from a right-wing media source, saying the CDC was hysterical, and that the pandemic panic came from someone who is closely tied to people who tried to take down Trump.
You don't have to be honest with me, or even the rest of us here - but at least be honest with yourself: you weren't asking a question.
You were calling the severity of the pandemic into question.Last edited by Mountain Man; 06-28-2020, 12:25 PM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Chuckles View PostExactly right:
Originally posted by Mountain ManBy all accounts, this is shaping up to be another worldwide panic that's not living up to the hype.
Models and predictions were far in excess of what we've actually seen. Fearmongers were telling us that worldwide deaths would be in the millions, and infections in the billions. We're nowhere close.
So worse than the flu? It seems the answer is yes. Significantly worse? It seems the answer is no.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostThe virus is currently surging in the US.
You sure now's a good time to conclude that you were right?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI would be shocked if the early models/predictions and predictions turn out to be correct. Yes, you have my permission to bring this post to my attention in the future if it happens.Last edited by Whateverman; 06-28-2020, 01:31 PM.
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostProvide us with links to two of the models/predictions you're referring to, because I guarantee neither of them say what you want them to.
In mid-March, a British scientist released an official report through the Imperial College that predicted nearly 3-million China flu deaths in the US and UK alone. Around the same time, the CDC was predicting up to 1.7 million deaths in the US. In mid-March, an "immunization specialist" was telling NBC News that we could see millions of China flu deaths in the US.
Here's NewBusters' own rundown of the fearmongering in the media as they harped on the "Millions dead! Tens of millions infected!" narrative.
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb...-americans-die
Remember, the current death total includes people who simply had the virus when they died even if it didn't cause their death, so even the current 100,000+ US deaths attributed to the China flu is not completely accurate.Last edited by Mountain Man; 06-28-2020, 02:09 PM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostOriginally posted by Whateverman View PostOriginally posted by Mountain Man View PostI would be shocked if the early models and predictions turn out to be correct. Yes, you have my permission to bring this post to my attention in the future if it happens.
In mid-March, a British scientist released an official report through the Imperial College that predicted nearly 3-million China flu deaths in the US and UK alone.
Unfortunately for you, measures were taken to mitigate the spread, and while treatments/therapies are currently minimal, measures were taken to provide them as well.
aka. the prediction of "3-million China flu deaths in the US and UK alone" doesn't apply, because that prediction was based on a total lack of government/social/medical policy.
Control measures and spontanteous changes in individual behavior were implemented.
Oops.
ps. thanks for the other links, but it's already clear that you're claiming the predictions were bad based on a scenario which never came to pass. The only way to test for whether 3.1 million US/UK citizens would have died is if we'd just let the virus run rampant.
You did exactly what I'd guessed: complained about the fallibility of predictions/models that we haven't actually tested yet.Last edited by Whateverman; 06-28-2020, 02:22 PM.
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostIf no measures were taken to mitigate spread and treat the infected.
Unfortunately for you, measures were taken to mitigate the spread, and while treatments/therapies are currently minimal, measures were taken to provide them as well.
aka. the prediction of "3-million China flu deaths in the US and UK alone" doesn't apply, because that prediction was based on a total lack of government/social/medical policy.
Control measures and spontanteous changes in individual behavior were implemented.
Oops.
ps. thanks for the other links, but it's already clear that you're claiming the predictions were bad based on a scenario which never came to pass. The only way to test for whether 3.1 million US/UK citizens would have died is if we'd just let the virus run rampantSome may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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