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Trump fires 4th Inspector General.
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As it turns out, the State Dept. IG was allegiedly just about to complete an investigation into Pompeo's emergency declaration to sell billions in arms to Saudi Arabia against bipartisan congressional legislation blocking the sale.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostBanana republic here we come! Do you think you Trumpsters will ever wake up!
Trump was elected to give half of the country the middle finger. To date, he's been remarkably effective in that capacity, and as long as he keeps annoying the people who make right-wing conservatives feel stupid, they'll continue to support/defend him.
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostNo, because the proper running of this country isn't something they value.
Trump was elected to give half of the country the middle finger. To date, he's been remarkably effective in that capacity, and as long as he keeps annoying the people who make right-wing conservatives feel stupid, they'll continue to support/defend him.
Whatever, man.
What? Someone had to say it. Best to get it out of the way early on.......>>> Witty remark or snarky quote of another poster goes here <<<...
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Originally posted by MaxVel View PostOriginally posted by Whateverman View PostNo, because the proper running of this country isn't something they value.
Trump was elected to give half of the country the middle finger. To date, he's been remarkably effective in that capacity, and as long as he keeps annoying the people who make right-wing conservatives feel stupid, they'll continue to support/defend him.
What? Someone had to say it. Best to get it out of the way early on....
The text you responded to was admittedly hyperbolic. In an effort to put a slightly less-insulting face on what I'm referring to, I'll point to this last Sunday's broadcast of Fareed Zakaria's show GPS. He usually begins every show with a brief "editorial" about what the show's going to contain, and on Sunday, he addressed the way politics has blended in with our national response to the pandemic.
To be sure, Zakaria can be stereotyped as a liberal elite, but he's pretty good at sticking to the facts. One of these is that the public response to the pandemic is split along the line of "trusting authority". Liberals tend to, and conservatives tend not to (in a very loose sense). This aligns with the way red states generally have more people who downplay the seriousness of (and advice for) the pandemic, whereas blue states see more people wearing masks and social distancing, etc. Assuming Trump was telling the truth about taking Hydroxychloroquinone, this is consistent with the aforementioned rule.
ps. sorry for the soapbox. I'm a rabid Anyone But Trump fan, but I thought it was bad form to start posting here again by insulting half the country. The above soapbox was an attempt to explain the president's behavior without doing that.
pps. sorry for the pandemic tangentLast edited by Whateverman; 05-19-2020, 10:19 AM.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostEach of these IG's were, in the eyes of the president, disloyal to him in their investigatory activities and so they were fired. It is not only their firing that the president is interested in but it is the message he is sending to anyone else who should dare speak truth to his power. Same with Dr. Bright who spoke against the presidents HYdroxycloroquine use. Comey who investigated Russia connections, Sessions, who refused to fire Mueller. McCabe, and on and on and on. It's systematic retaliation for disloyalty to the wannabe dictator. Open your eyes."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostNo, because the proper running of this country isn't something they value.
Trump was elected to give half of the country the middle finger. To date, he's been remarkably effective in that capacity, and as long as he keeps annoying the people who make right-wing conservatives feel stupid, they'll continue to support/defend him.
He can violate the emoluments clause
He can throw the children of immigrants in jail
He can invite china to interfere in our elections
He can abuse his power and fire anyone and everyone that would hold him accountable
He can undermine free speech and convince half the country to ignore the press almost in its entirety
He can have multiple women who he has molested or committed adultury with
He can ignore a pandemic until we have 10's of thousands of deaths and encourage insane conspiracy theories or rhetoric designed to make half the country think 'it's just like the flu'.
He can lie about anything and nearly everything each and every day
He can do almost anything that under normal circumstances would have him impeached or people marching in the streets of washington - but as long as while he is doing it he's giving a Democrat the finger, it is ok.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by DivineOb View PostAgain, IsG can be removed for any reason but not for a corrupt reason. No one is claiming Trump does not have the legal authority to fire an IG.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostBut it sure looks like some are jumping to the conclusion that since it is Trump then it just must (MUST I say!) have been illegal or at the very least unethical.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostBut it sure looks like some are jumping to the conclusion that since it is Trump then it just must (MUST I say!) have been illegal or at the very least unethical.
So, while it is possible that Trump was acting properly, given that the fired IG was very close to finishing up a report which involves Pompeo it certainly gives the outward appearance that the firing might have been improper. It makes everyone's lives a lot easier to act with a higher standard than just what the letter of the law demands.
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All-the-more notable in the context of a tweet he posted in 2013:
Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostBut it sure looks like some are jumping to the conclusion that since it is Trump then it just must (MUST I say!) have been illegal or at the very least unethical.Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThe probability is indeed very, very high. But that does not mean that in a small percentage of the cases he might actually be justified. Which is part of the game he plays - he only needs to be justified 1 in 10 or 1 in 20 actions for him to keep the support of people like you. And those are massively winning odds when your goal is to stop oversight so you can do whatever you want to do.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThank you for providing an example that illustrates what I said.
Your mistake is in deceiving yourself into believing that Trump has not earned the reputation and the just expectation that his firing if the IG was for unethical reasons. He fires people when they put ethics or the good of the country ahead of loyalty to him. It's purely random then as to when what he does actually turns out to also be justifiable for ethical reasons.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 05-19-2020, 03:34 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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