Ahmaud Arbery; racist killing and attempted cover up.

[oxmixmudd]

He was chased. That's a fact. "Violently chased" is your interpretation of the facts and not a fact itself.

Any chase by an automobile or truck where the individual being chased is struck in the process is a violent chase in my book. Given the chase continued after he was struck, all the more so.

[Gondwanaland]

And in the end, it doesn't matter. Because he was chased down and gunned down by vigilantes that did not have real access to this information. And even if they had, it still would not have been justified, and more importantly, if was white, would have never happened.

Except it does matter. It speaks to the fact that he was not there 'just jogging' or 'just refilling his water bottle'. He was there committing a crime. This time he got caught, tried to fight and threaten like he has in the past, and picked the wrong dudes to do it to, and wound up dead when he tried to grab someone's gun.

[Cerebrum123]

Speaking as a Lutheran, I think the videos are hilarious. (the ones I've seen, anyway).

Yeah, I've watched several, and usually I've found them to be pretty good.

[Mountain Man]

There's no immediate knowledge that a crime is being committed.

Trespassing is a crime.

[Gondwanaland]

Prior acts, including a crime that happened the night before, aren't grounds for citizen's arrest.

Don't recall saying they were......

[Mountain Man]

Any chase by an automobile or truck where the individual being chased is struck in the process is a violent chase in my book. Given the chase continued after he was struck, all the more so.

Let's talk about the facts and not what's in your "book", okay?

[Diogenes]

Or being "deputized" by local law enforcement who told the property owner to call him first if there was more suspicious activity, since he could arrive sooner than a squad car.

If Travis McMichael was deputized, that doesn't mean he could deputize others to aid him and it brings a higher standard of accountability of a death in custody (intentionally or non-intentionally) to bear. If anything, that opens the LEO agency to culpability.

[Diogenes]

Trespassing is a crime.

It's not a felony. Nor was it known that he was criminally trespassing at the time of pursuit. The 9-1-1 call indicates the use of prior acts to reach the conclusion of a crime being committed which are outside the scope of the statute.

[Diogenes]

Don't recall saying they were......

The court documents that you cite are citing prior criminal acts which are irrelevant to the use of citizen's arrest.

[rogue06]

Also, Mountain Man routinely changes Starlight's name to Dimbulb, but mainly it's a Lutheran Satire reference.

I never changed someone's name. I might call them by something different -- usually a shortening of the name^[1] Referred to you in a post as "Dio" not too long ago. Mountain Man is "MM."



1. an obvious exception is calling Cow Poke "the prodder of bovines" or Sparko "mangy pirate" -- or the both of 'em "nincompoopieheads"™ Although referring to the former as "cp" is an example of the shortening.

[Diogenes]

I never changed someone's name. I might call them by something different -- usually a shortening of the name^[1] Referred to you in a post as "Dio" not too long ago. Mountain Man is "MM."



1. an obvious exception is calling Cow Poke "the prodder of bovines" or Sparko "mangy pirate" -- or the both of 'em "nincompoopieheads"™ Although referring to the former as "cp" is an example of the shortening.

The only time I ever do it is for the LS bit.

[Gondwanaland]

The court documents that you cite are citing prior criminal acts which are irrelevant to the use of citizen's arrest.

Don't recall saying anything about the use of citizen's arrest, let alone the relevancy of court documents wrt use of citizen's arrest.

Maybe you should go find whoever it is you're trying to have an argument with and post your posts to them, because you're clearly not posting to me.

[oxmixmudd]

Except it does matter. It speaks to the fact that he was not there 'just jogging' or 'just refilling his water bottle'. He was there committing a crime. This time he got caught, tried to fight and threaten like he has in the past, and picked the wrong dudes to do it to, and wound up dead when he tried to grab someone's gun.

No, he was there jogging and may have entered the premesis of a house under construction in the process. Nothing that could possiblly justify an armed and violent chase. And that would be true even if they had access to th information you posted, which AFAIK they did not.

[Gondwanaland]

No, he was there jogging and may have entered the premesis of a house under construction in the process. Nothing that could possiblly justify an armed and violent chase. And that would be true even if they had access to th information you posted, which AFAIK they did not.

No, he was there trespassing, as he had previously. He chose to respond violently and threateningly when he got caught, just like he has in the past (beyond the incidents in the court docs, we have footage of a previous encounter with the police where he became belligerent and threatening violence for no reason). Unfortunately for him, he chose to turn that violence and threatening on with someone who was armed, and wound up dead.

[rogue06]

If Travis McMichael was deputized, that doesn't mean he could deputize others to aid him and it brings a higher standard of accountability of a death in custody (intentionally or non-intentionally) to bear. If anything, that opens the LEO agency to culpability.

Aside from telling the owner to call a private citizen (albeit a retired cop/sheriff IIRC) in regard to getting assistance with a legal/criminal issue, the first big mistake was the decision to bring the son along. AFAICT, you can bring someone else along as a driver only, but that wasn't the role the son held nor anyone following along.