Ferguson's Model of Pandemic Really Bad

[Roy]

The funny thing is though, even in the midst of all the blatant smear articles about her you'll find on Google, they still go into some detail about her prestigious scientific past, because they can't just outright deny that.

First Google hit:

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More details:
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Being known mainly for having to retract research because of contaminated samples isn't a "prestigious scientific past".

Since you don't like Google, I tried Yahoo as well. First hit was Wikipedia:

"Judy Anne Mikovits (c. 1958) is a discredited American ex-research scientist who is known for her anti-vaccination activism, promotion of conspiracy theories, and scientific misconduct.".

Then came https://vaxopedia.org/2018/12/08/who-is-judy-mikovits/:
"Dr. Judy Mikovits has a PhD in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, doing her thesis on Negative Regulation of HIV Expression in Monocytes. She had several papers published with Dr. Frank Ruscetti, with whom she continues to work. Instead of research, it seems that they now do:
- Advocacy for vaccine injury legal cases worldwide.
- Research and documentation on medical exemptions for vaccinations."

[Roy]

One of the nice features on Wikipedia is that you can examine what pages said before their subject became embroiled in dispute:

"Judy Anne Mikovits is an American researcher. She was involved in controversies regarding her research in the area of chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS).

Mikovits was the research director of the Whittemore Peterson Institute (WPI), a chronic fatigue syndrome research organization and clinic in Reno, Nevada in the United States from 2006 to 2011. Mikovits led a research effort that reported in 2009 that a retrovirus known as xenotropic murine leukemia virus-related virus (XMRV) was associated with CFS and may have had a causal role, however the research came under fire, leading to an eventual retraction on December 22, 2011 by the journal Science.

In October 2011, Mikovits was terminated by WPI for refusing to turn over a cell line that was delivered her laboratory by mistake, and subsequently came under investigation for alleged manipulation of data in her publications related to XMRV. On November 18, 2011, Judy Mikovits was arrested in her Ventura County, California home. Her lawyer said she was arrested on charges of theft brought by the WPI, but that the charges had no merit. By November 28, after negotiations with the WPI, 18 missing notebooks were returned.[3] Later, the criminal charges against her were dismissed by the Reno, NV District Attorney's office."

Being arrested for theft and investigated for malpractice isn't "a prestigious scientific past".

[seanD]

First Google hit:

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More details:
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Being known mainly for having to retract research because of contaminated samples isn't a "prestigious scientific past".

Since you don't like Google, I tried Yahoo as well. First hit was Wikipedia:

"Judy Anne Mikovits (c. 1958) is a discredited American ex-research scientist who is known for her anti-vaccination activism, promotion of conspiracy theories, and scientific misconduct.".

Then came https://vaxopedia.org/2018/12/08/who-is-judy-mikovits/:
"Dr. Judy Mikovits has a PhD in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, doing her thesis on Negative Regulation of HIV Expression in Monocytes. She had several papers published with Dr. Frank Ruscetti, with whom she continues to work. Instead of research, it seems that they now do:
- Advocacy for vaccine injury legal cases worldwide.
- Research and documentation on medical exemptions for vaccinations."

Wikipedia being such a reliable and unbiased source, I guess that settles it. You really showed me!

[Roy]

Wikipedia being such a reliable and unbiased source, I guess that settles it. You really showed me!

Since

(i) you're pretending that Wikipedia was the only source I provided, and
(ii) you haven't provided any sources,

then yes, I did.

[seanD]

Since

(i) you're pretending that Wikipedia was the only source I provided, and
(ii) you haven't provided any sources,

then yes, I did.

I provided the source earlier, straight from the horses mouth. She explains everything you bring up against her in that ever so reliable and unbiased wiki source.

[Roy]

I provided the source earlier, straight from the horses mouth. She explains everything you bring up against her in that ever so reliable and unbiased wiki source.

So your evidence that Judy Mikovits had a "prestigious scientific past" is nothing more than Judy Mikovits saying it?

Edited to add: P.S. Once again you've rejected my sources because "Wikipedia", even though two of them aren't.

[seanD]

So your evidence that Judy Mikovits had a "prestigious scientific past" is nothing more than Judy Mikovits saying it?

No, the sources outline her prestigious past before the controversy. I'm saying she addresses some of the issues you brought up in that wiki article that use it to vilify why they call her a "now discredited" scientist.

[Roy]

No, the sources outline her prestigious past before the controversy.

What sources? Mine don't describe her past as prestigious. You haven't provided any source other than her.

I'm saying she addresses some of the issues you brought up in that wiki article that use it to vilify why they call her a "now discredited" scientist.

That's the third time you've incorrectly and unjustifiably dismissed my sources as being a wiki article.

I don't think you're up to this.

[seanD]

What sources? Mine don't describe her past as prestigious. You haven't provided any source other than her. That's the third time you've incorrectly and unjustifiably dismissed my sources as being a wiki article.

I don't think you're up to this.

From the very unbiased and reliable wiki source you yourself used...

In 1980, Mikovits received her BA degree[20] in chemistry from the University of Virginia. According to Mikovits, she went to Upjohn Pharmaceuticals in Kalamazoo, Michigan from 1986 to 1987 to serve as a laboratory technician and departed subsequent to a dispute with the company relating to their bovine growth hormone product.[2] In 1988, she worked as a laboratory technician at the National Cancer Institute (NCI) in Frederick, Maryland under Francis Ruscetti, who later served as her PhD supervisor,[14][21] and in 1991[14] she received a PhD in biochemistry[2] from George Washington University.[20][22] Her PhD thesis was titled "Negative Regulation of HIV Expression in Monocytes."[14] Mikovits stated that she worked as postdoctoral researcher in the laboratory of David Derse from 1993 to 1994.[2] By 1996, Mikovits was employed as a scientist at Ruscetti’s Laboratory of Leukocyte Biology at the NCI.[23]

From the 80s-90s it's looks pretty good to me, considering the source is so unbiased and reliable. I guess you have a different definition of what constitutes a prestigious scientific career? The controversy didn't start until around 2007.

[Roy]

From the 80s-90s it's looks pretty good to me, considering the source is so unbiased and reliable. I guess you have a different definition of what constitutes a prestigious scientific career?

I certainly do. Being a lab technician or a postdoc researcher is not prestigious. Using your criteria, I also have a "prestigious scientific career". You could at least have cited her research directorship, though a five-year stint hardly constitutes a 'career'.

Hint: if you're going to dismiss a source as biased an unreliable, you don't then get to use the parts of it you like.

[Starlight]

Being a lab technician or a postdoc researcher is not prestigious. Using your criteria, I also have a "prestigious scientific career".

Indeed. I haven't read earlier posts as to why you two are arguing over this, but certainly what Sean quoted in his previous post describes a totally normal, even below normal, scientific career path. Depending on the company exactly, "lab technician" and "postdoc researcher" could be the equivalent of what other fields might call "unpaid intern" and "cleaner on a minimum wage". Only at the end of Sean's quoted section does the person graduate to normal scientist.

You could at least have cited her research directorship, though a five-year stint hardly constitutes a 'career'.

Indeed. A research directorship is a prestigious sounding position, and even might actually be a prestigious position, depending on the details.

[Roy]

Indeed. I haven't read earlier posts as to why you two are arguing over this, ...

I'm hoping to demonstrate that SeanD doesn't know what he's talking about, so his promotion of that video is a reason for not believing it, so that no-one will follow the advice in it and expose themselves to unnecessary risks.

[seanD]

I'm hoping to demonstrate that SeanD doesn't know what he's talking about, so his promotion of that video is a reason for not believing it, so that no-one will follow the advice in it and expose themselves to unnecessary risks.

I doubt your crusade to save all of tweb will be that fruitful. Like I said, I knew nothing about her and probably would have known nothing if it weren't for the censorship and the smear campaign against her. That's what peaked my curiosity to research her history. She's a sensation now among the "conspiracy theorists" of the internet, her book's must be pretty successful if it's a bestseller in Amazon and I'm sure it's because of that, so I doubt anything you do will scare away twebbers interested in the subject themselves. Censorship and smear campaigns typically backfire I guess is my point.

[seanD]

Btw, for those interested in more detail, VCS wrote an interesting article about the subject. I wasn't going to go this extensively into it until others pressed the issue, and Mike also asked me earlier for more info on Mikovits.

Apparently Whittemore, the one who hired her as a researcher and then later sued her and accused her of stealing files, turned out to be a lobbyist (we all know how upstanding moral characters they are) and good friend of Harry Reid (interestingly, a powerful lawmaker tied to the big pharma industry). It turns out Whittemore got in trouble for illegally funneling money to Reid's campaign and was thrown in prison. So apparently Mikovits was working for a network of some pretty shady and powerfully connected individuals whose feathers were a bit ruffled with some of her findings.

Frank Ruscetti, the researcher she worked with, agrees that she was "blackballed." Though we don't know for sure exactly what happened and why, you can connect some of the dots in the article and speculate some interesting possibilities.

[mikewhitney]

When are people going to figure out that computer models are not reality?

Worse yet. We can certainly ask the question whether Ferguson's model was the predictions that Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation sponsored?

Source: https://www.gatesfoundation.org/How-We-Work/Quick-Links/Grants-Database/Grants/2020/03/OPP1210755

Imperial College London

Date: March 2020
Purpose: to develop a new tool for malaria control and elimination in sub-Saharan Africa
Amount: $79,006,570
Term: 60
Topic: Malaria
Program: Global Health
Grantee Location: London
Grantee Website: http://www.imperial.ac.uk

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The Gates Foundation appears to be supporting each and every player in this global pandemic. The funding does not say it is for COVID-19 activities. However, the coincidence of timing does raise suspicions.

Scientific results can be bought when you have enough money.

Note that I'm getting a lot of this information from the Amazing Polly youtube channel: