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Lab Leak: The conspiracy theory is shaping up to look like real possibility
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"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
Yesterday, one of the View Shrews, Joy Behar, after ranting about how Trump picked on the poor widdle Chicoms, frumbled that Trump made a "lucky guess" about where the virus came from. Keep in mind this is the show where Whoopi Goldberg denied that the Chinese government was accusing the U.S. military of having spread Covid in Wuhan[1]
1. apparently China has never stopped pushing this. Yesterday they announced that any investigation into China is over and it is time to start investigating "other countries" as the possible source of their plague.
[*Article continues at link above*]
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWhat's hilarious is that the media had no problem with calling it the Chinese virus until President Trump said it, and then it suddenly became racist.
With notable exceptions.
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Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
On the contrary, people ceased calling it the Chinese virus or the Wuhan virus as soon as they were made aware it could lead to discrimination, threats, and violence against Asian Americans.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWhich just happened to be right around the time that Trump said it.
This time, the blame is elsewhere.
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
The information about the scientists at the lab getting sick before the Covid 19 outbreak. That is about it though, and there certainly was evidence* that a lab leak was possible, it just wasn't conclusive. In fact oxmixmudd's post shows he either doesn't remember what he said very well, or he's gaslighting.
Does that look like he was fine with the idea of a lab escape to you? He immediately tried to make it seem as if the "lab escape" hypothesis was entirely Trump inspired and driven by those devoted to Trump. He also tries to bring in derogatory verbiage towards people of Asian descent" as another reason for his level of backlash. I'm not finding anything in this thread so far that is even remotely close to "derogatory verbiage towards people of Asian descent".
Apparently he doesn't seem to realize that the level of fervor to which he was opposing the mere possibility** of a lab escape was motivated by how own political bias. In fact he had to twist my word into a caricature of what they were in order to attack me. All while projecting that onto me and playing the victim.
*The closest thing to Covid 19 genetically was a virus that was in the lab, and they couldn't find anything near as close in the wild.
**Neither one of said it was certain, or that it was an intentionally manufactured virus. We just said that Fauci was a bit too dismissive of other possibilities that could have involved the lab. Turns out we were right that it was dismissed too easily. He also dishonestly tried to imply that I thought the Chinese were trying to "foist a deadly virus onto the world". I nowhere stated anything like that, and even had to explicitly call out this absurd notion. Yet he still continued his attacks on me, and his attempt to derail the discussion into yet another anti-Trump tirade. Apparently his anger and unconscious bias trumped his reading comprehension earlier in the thread.
Edit. It took him quite a while to even admit that it was a possibility that there was an escape from the lab due to an accident. Only after Starlight and Juvenal mentioned they thought it was likely did he soften up to the idea.
Notice I emphasized evidence and the danger of world power confrontation over a hunch. Evidence is not rumor, and it is not some single person's claim to have seen something. Especially when the media machines harping it have one goal - to shore up and support a rogue president.
That VALIDATED report of sickened Wuhan researchers with covid like symptoms in November is a game changer. It still doesn't prove a lab origin, but it does make a strong case for it being a real possibility and shifts the balance of the evidence to the point it is a possibility that needs to be taken seriously.
My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
Yes, that seems to be the favorite rationalization of people who find out that something they discounted turns out to be true.
Unfortunately, the psychology of belief and confirmation bias is such that typically only one in 10 such rumors need to turn out to be true in order for a person prone to accept them to be convinced they are ALL 'really' true.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
On the contrary, people ceased calling it the Chinese virus or the Wuhan virus as soon as they were made aware it could lead to discrimination, threats, and violence against Asian Americans.
With notable exceptions.
A LexisNexis search of English-language news stories found that it was still being called things like the "Chinese virus" and the "Wuhan virus" at times.
I guess Asians didn't think it was all that racist.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostA few days ago. It dealt with the researchers at the lab who had [Covid] back in November 2019.
The so-called Smoking Gun.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostWas one of those notable exceptions the Asian press corp?
A LexisNexis search of English-language news stories found that it was still being called things like the "Chinese virus" and the "Wuhan virus" at times.
I guess Asians didn't think it was all that racist.
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Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
Asians aren't at risk for being from Asia in Asia.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
Yes, it is a favorite saying of mine, and because it is so appropriate for these conversations. Some rumors are based on facts, but most are either without real foundation or massively exaggerated. And the only way to sift through them is to rely on accurate and verifiable evidence.
Unfortunately, the psychology of belief and confirmation bias is such that typically only one in 10 such rumors need to turn out to be true in order for a person prone to accept them to be convinced they are ALL 'really' true.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
As you wish to dwell on this, it was also right around the time videos of Chinese-American citizens being attacked in the streets began to surface, a phenomena which continues today, despite the fact Trump's reckless repetitions have been effectively silenced.
This time, the blame is elsewhere.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostFrom the WaPo 10 hours ago
[*Article continues at link above*]
If we ARE doing such experiments, we are good enough not to release them into the public and cause a pandemic, China.Last edited by Sparko; 05-28-2021, 08:13 AM.
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Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
On the contrary, people ceased calling it the Chinese virus or the Wuhan virus as soon as they were made aware it could lead to discrimination, threats, and violence against Asian Americans.
With notable exceptions.
Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever
Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS)
Ebola Virus
Zika Virus
West Nile Virus
Hendra Virus
Spanish Flu (named after the location that first publicized its existence - notably it likely came from China originally, thru the US, and out to Europe after)
All named for locations where they originated (or were recognized, in the case of the last one).
Nothing wrong with naming a virus for its geographic origins.
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