Lab Leak: The conspiracy theory is shaping up to look like real possibility

[Gondwanaland]

Yes I have the references

No, you have not. You haven't shown a single bit of causation.

speak for themselves.

They do - they show no evidence of causation. They speak for themselves against your claims.

You live in denial as worshiper of Trump with an agenda.

Dude, nice shooting yourself in the foot. I didn't vote for that twit either election, nor any of the primaries.

I'm simply correcting your falsehoods, but your TDS doesn't let you see that - anyone that disagrees with you is magically a 'worshiper of Trump'.

You've not shown any evidence of causation. Especially given that most of the anti-asian violence has been committed by black people, who aren't a major demographic of his.

Asians of several nationalities have died and suffered,

Let's see links. Show examples of people who harmed asians of several nationalities and stated they did so because of Trump's remarks.

because of Trump's and others degrading racist remarks.

Says the person that was using degrading racist remarks toward asians.........

Come back when you have actual evidence showing causation.

One thing happening at some point in time after another thing is not evidence of causation/cause-and-effect.

[NorrinRadd]

Yes I have the references speak for themselves. You live in denial as worshiper of Trump with an agenda.

Asians of several nationalities have died and suffered, because of Trump's and others degrading racist remarks.

Can you please provide some specific examples showing Asians assaulted because of Bad Orange Man's verbiage, as opposed to being assaulted because some blacks just don't like them?

[NorrinRadd]

When did "Oriental" become a "racist" term? I was vaguely aware it had fallen out of use, but had NO idea it was now un-PC.

I remember when "negro" was ok, and "black" was insulting. Da Blessed Gubmint, hallowed be its name, really should print an annual list of Approved Language and make sure every Murican gets a copy.

[tabibito]

When did "Oriental" become a "racist" term? I was vaguely aware it had fallen out of use, but had NO idea it was now un-PC.

I remember when "negro" was ok, and "black" was insulting. Da Blessed Gubmint, hallowed be its name, really should print an annual list of Approved Language and make sure every Murican gets a copy.

Have you watched Martin Luther's "I have a dream" speech. He repeatedly referred to himself as a negro. [sarcasm - but not in jest] No doubt the "woke" will say he did not know any better and needed a white woke person to show him how ignorant he was.[/sarcasm]

The professionally perpetually outraged will always need to dream up new excuses for their outrage, and to manufacture excuses to legitimise and maximise their vilification of others.

[Gondwanaland]

When did "Oriental" become a "racist" term? I was vaguely aware it had fallen out of use, but had NO idea it was now un-PC.

I remember when "negro" was ok, and "black" was insulting. Da Blessed Gubmint, hallowed be its name, really should print an annual list of Approved Language and make sure every Murican gets a copy.

The last 20 years or so. Before the big push against sportsteams like "Redskins" or "Indians".

[rogue06]

When did "Oriental" become a "racist" term? I was vaguely aware it had fallen out of use, but had NO idea it was now un-PC.

I remember when "negro" was ok, and "black" was insulting. Da Blessed Gubmint, hallowed be its name, really should print an annual list of Approved Language and make sure every Murican gets a copy.

I remember back in the 80s or 90s hearing that oriental is a type of rug not a person. Apparently it started in the late 60s when the term "Asian American" first arose.

Here are a few articles

• NBC: Bill to Remove 'Oriental' from Federal Law Passes Senate, Heads to Obama ("On Monday, the Senate unanimously passed a bill that would remove the word from the last known laws in the United States Code where it applies to a person")
• JSTOR (Science paper): Language matters: the vocabulary of racism in health care ("...the vocabulary of health care – both in its literature and the language of officialdom – has proved resistant to the use of this lexicon of acceptable terms, as exemplified by the portrayal of peoples as 'Oriental' and 'Negro'. What makes such language racist is the historical legacy it carries – that is, its symbolic importance.")
• About Japan: What's the Matter with Saying 'The Orient'? ("There are several reasons scholars now avoid using phrases like "the East," "the Far East," and "the Orient," including the exoticism they convey, their association with modern empires, the skewed view of world geography they present, and their tendency to homogenize large, diverse parts of the world as if they shared a single cultural identity")
• Los Angeles Times: The term ‘Oriental’ is outdated, but is it racist? ("It is now politically incorrect to use the word “Oriental,” and the admonition has the force of law: President Obama recently signed a bill prohibiting use of the term in all federal documents. Rep. Grace Meng, the New York congresswoman who sponsored the legislation, exulted that “at long last this insulting and outdated term will be gone for good.”") A somewhat opposing POV
• NPR: 'Oriental': Rugs, Not People ("It's an adjective that used to describe rugs, not people. That's the message New York Gov. David Paterson turned into law this week when he signed a bill that bans state documents from using the term "oriental" when referring to people of Asian or Pacific heritage.")
• NBC: After 50 years of 'Asian American,' advocates say the term is 'more essential than ever' ("The term Asian American, however, signaled a shared and interconnected history of immigration, labor exploitation and racism, as well as a common political agenda. It was also a pushback against the pejorative word "Oriental.")
• Red Tricycle (website for parents): 10 Words & Phrases You Might Not Know Are Racist ("As a term previously used to dehumanize people, “oriental” is a word that can evoke a racist history and make people feel disenfranchised. To understand this, we have to appreciate the origin and historical usage. Scholars, like Erika Lee, have noted that the word “oriental” was tied to anti-Asian sentiment, violence, and xenophobic legislation (such as lynching and the Chinese Exclusion Act) in the 19^th and 20^th centuries.)
• Wikipedia: Orient: ("The term Oriental can be considered a pejorative and disparaging term when used to describe an East Asian person when following social norms of the United States.")
• Collins Dictionary: Oriental ("NOUN offensive 5. (usually cap) a native or inhabitant of the Orient")
• Free Dictionary: Oriental (1. Often Offensive An Asian, especially a South Asian, Southeast Asian, or East Asian.)
• Webster's Dictionary: Oriental (The adjective oriental, which carries strong associations with colonialism and with language that others and exoticizes, is usually considered offensive when used by non-Asian people to describe people of various Asian identities. Its use to describe elements of Asian culture oriental music // an oriental garden // some times has a dated feel, but is not usually regarded as offensive. ... The noun Oriental has a long history of association with colonialism and with language that others and exoticizes people of various Asian identities. While Oriental is not offensive in senses 2 and 3 above, the use of Oriental to refer to a person is usually considered offensive.)

[shunyadragon]

Can you please provide some specific examples showing Asians assaulted because of Bad Orange Man's verbiage, as opposed to being assaulted because some blacks just don't like them?

Provided the references that referred to police records in cities . Do your own homework if you are willing to be honest about your Lord and Master the BIG Bad Orange Man the leader of the Republican Party

[Gondwanaland]

Provided the references that referred to police records in cities . Do your own homework if you are willing to be honest about your Lord and Master the BIG Bad Orange Man the leader of the Republican Party

But that's not evidence of causation or cause-effect. That's just evidence that something happened. And the only link I personally saw you provide was self reported stuff. Which has its own issues.

Come back when you have actual causal evidence, not "two things happened, therefore one caused the other".

You tell us to 'do your own homework'. But you are the one making the claim. The onus of proof is on you. You don't get to try to make other people do your homework for you, son.

[rogue06]

Provided the references that referred to police records in cities . Do your own homework if you are willing to be honest about your Lord and Master the BIG Bad Orange Man the leader of the Republican Party

So you admit that you can't demonstrate that anyone has been assaulted because Trump called the Chicom coronavirus the Wuhan or Chinese virus (just like everyone else had been doing -- including Asian news outlets^[1]).

All you can do is cite incidents in leftwing strongholds where Asians have been attacked.

Even when the Today show highlighted three cases it was quickly revealed that in all three cases, they took place in liberal Meccas, and were committed by members of a group that overwhelmingly votes Democrat in every election. In one case the attackers were an L.A. street gang which are hardly known for their white members.

So either man up and put your big boy pants on and start giving "specific examples showing Asians assaulted because of Bad Orange Man's verbiage, as opposed to being assaulted because some blacks just don't like them" or just admit that there is no evidence. That it is yet another deliberate lie disseminated by the MSM just like their false claim that Trump said all Hispanics were "animals" while he was explicitly referring to the Ms-13 gang.

Your move.




1. amazing how they didn't realize how racist they were being. Maybe we should start exporting white liberals to shuny's Orient to explain how racist they are but not too worry, they're here to set things right and show them how to do things.

[shunyadragon]

So you admit that you can't demonstrate that anyone has been assaulted because Trump called the Chicom coronavirus the Wuhan or Chinese virus (just like everyone else had been doing -- including Asian news outlets^[1]).

All you can do is cite incidents in leftwing strongholds where Asians have been attacked.

Even when the Today show highlighted three cases it was quickly revealed that in all three cases, they took place in liberal Meccas, and were committed by members of a group that overwhelmingly votes Democrat in every election. In one case the attackers were an L.A. street gang which are hardly known for their white members.

So either man up and put your big boy pants on and start giving "specific examples showing Asians assaulted because of Bad Orange Man's verbiage, as opposed to being assaulted because some blacks just don't like them" or just admit that there is no evidence. That it is yet another deliberate lie disseminated by the MSM just like their false claim that Trump said all Hispanics were "animals" while he was explicitly referring to the Ms-13 gang.

Your move.




1. amazing how they didn't realize how racist they were being. Maybe we should start exporting white liberals to shuny's Orient to explain how racist they are but not too worry, they're here to set things right and show them how to do things.

No the statistics and police reports document thie. You and other Trump worshipers admit that you cannot respond coherently nor refute the statistics.

[rogue06]

No the statistics and police reports document thie. You and other Trump worshipers admit that you cannot respond coherently nor refute the statistics.

You would have been better off just not responding than continuing to fail like this.

What the statistics and police reports show are that Democrats/leftists in Democrat-controlled strongholds are attacking Asians.

[Sparko]

You would have been better off just not responding than continuing to fail like this.

What the statistics and police reports show are that Democrats/leftists in Democrat-controlled strongholds are attacking Asians.

No real liberal Democrat would do that!

[shunyadragon]

The problem with conspiracies on a national level where government is behind the cover-up, is that it will probably never ever be proven. If it eventually is, it will be years if not decades when the previous government passes on and perhaps official docs are leaked. And this is especially true of a tyrannical government like china that has no outside restraints of its attempt to cover it up and keep it covered up. They could just kill any and all witnesses or whistleblowers, or even those they suspect might be a potential witness risk.

Yes, at present there is no conclusive evidence to determine the source of Covid-19.

One factor that needs to be considered is the culture of 'saving face' in China, and how it plays out in the current tyrannical government Dynasty. The government will deny everything, and accuse everyone else whether true or not such as: The US Army brought Covid-19 to China.

[rogue06]

No real liberal Democrat would do that!

Much like the Jussie Smollett hoax, you have MAGA cap-wearing white Trump supporters infiltrating downtown areas waiting to attack unsuspecting Asians before jumping back into their pickup trucks (covered in confederate flags naturally) and rush back to the sticks to boast to the other hillbillies.

[Sparko]

Yes, at present there is no conclusive evidence to determine the source of Covid-19.

One factor that needs to be considered is the culture of 'saving face' in China, and how it plays out in the current tyrannical government Dynasty. The government will deny everything, and accuse everyone else whether true or not such as: The US Army brought Covid-19 to China.

Given that and the fact that

• they are trying to stop any investigations into the lab and the fact that
• there just happened to be a lab studying those viruses in the very same city that it broke out in and
• the nearest natural source of the virus (the bats) lived 1000 miles away, and
• we have suspicions they were doing gain of function experiments there and
• your source said a single mutation in the spike protein allowed it to infect humans...

Occam's razor suggests that the lab probably made that mutation in the lab and it escaped.

As of now the most UNLIKELY explanation is that it occurred naturally.