Evangelicals full of fear

[rogue06]

... and acting out fear over faith while simultaneously buying into nearly every lame conspiracy theory out there. My wife has a facebook feed. She keeps me updated.

You mean like the collusion delusion?

[Watermelon]

the ignorance that drove (and still drives) the earlier conversations downplaying the virus among the Trump facing evangelicals is itself born of fear. Fear of knowledge coupled with rampant Paranoia in terms of governmental conspiracy theories. And it still drives a good deal of the conversation here and on various social media outlets.

[rogue06]

...that Charles is an anti-Christian bigot.

Hey now, what evidence do you have for that charge? I mean aside from the threads he starts and the posts he makes when he isn't very selectively net nannying?

[rogue06]

Funny how quoting an Evangelical challenging your double standards who I carefully selected in order to once again attack Christianity makes me and anti-Christian bigot. You must live in a very simplified world...

FIFY n/c

[Cow Poke]

Messiah College historian John Fea, himself an Evangelical, has some rather interesting observations and thoughts about Evangelicals. A very interesting person. Here is a central quote:

Somewhat doubting this "John Fea" was, indeed, an Evangelical, I followed the links in the article to see who he was....

John Fea.jpg

Great job, Charles!

ETA:

What Kind of Christian is John Fea?



Which kinda blows up this little bit of drivel...

Funny how quoting an Evangelical challenging your double standards makes me and anti-Christian bigot. You must live in a very simplified world...

Next time, Charles, don't be such a simpleton in accepting somebody else's use of "Evangelical".

[Cow Poke]

Messiah College historian John Fea, himself an Evangelical...

Screenshot_2020-04-07 I Thought John Fea Is Evangelical.jpg

Charles, can you please provide some support for your dubious claim that John Fea is "himself an Evangelical". (and note you used the capital E - Evangelical)

Thanks.

[simplicio]

Somewhat doubting this "John Fea" was, indeed, an Evangelical, I followed the links in the article to see who he was....

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Great job, Charles!

ETA:

What Kind of Christian is John Fea?



Which kinda blows up this little bit of drivel...



Next time, Charles, don't be such a simpleton in accepting somebody else's use of "Evangelical".

It seems that the only real evangelical is one who thinks like you!

Edit to add: Yes, MLK was Christian. Yes MLK was evangelical. Yes, black Christians of the SBC are evangelical. Yes, Baptists are capable of making informed decisions and reflecting the movement of the Holy Spirit.

And Yes, a Black Baptist is capable of writing Letter from a Birmingham Jail without needing to resort to plagiarism.

[Cow Poke]

It seems that the only real evangelical is one who thinks like you!

I'm asking a question - have not come to any conclusion. And your little virtue signaling pitch-a-fit has NOTHING to do with this subject.

Edit to add: Yes, MLK was Christian. Yes MLK was evangelical. Yes, black Christians of the SBC are evangelical. Yes, Baptists are capable of making informed decisions and reflecting the movement of the Holy Spirit.

Did somebody put something in your coffee? Never denied ANY of this.

And Yes, a Black Baptist is capable of writing Letter from a Birmingham Jail without needing to resort to plagiarism.

I think you woke up in the wrong thread.

[simplicio]

I'm asking a question - have not come to any conclusion. And your little virtue signaling pitch-a-fit has NOTHING to do with this subject.



Did somebody put something in your coffee? Never denied ANY of this.



I think you woke up in the wrong thread.

No, you clearly have cast doubt on John Fea credentials as a bona fide evangelical. Just how can Charles demonstrate that John Fea is indeed a real evangelical?

While you "never denied any of this", you did post enthusiastically and argue against those positions.

[Cow Poke]

No, you clearly have cast doubt on John Fea credentials as a bona fide evangelical.

I asked a question because it doesn't appear he is an Evangelical -- capital E.

Just how can Charles demonstrate that John Fea is indeed a real evangelical?

That's an incredibly dishonest rendition of my actual quote which was...

Charles, can you please provide some support for your dubious claim that John Fea is "himself an Evangelical". (and note you used the capital E - Evangelical)

Thanks.

However, he probably won't even try to defend his goofy assertion that Fea is an Evangelical.

While you "never denied any of this", you did post enthusiastically and argue against those positions.

And, yet again, the manure spreader malfunctioned and threw the whole load all at once!

[Charles]

After failing to adress John Fea's points. And after failing to support the idea that he is pro homosexuals or whatever ideas some twebbers provide to focus on the person instead of the message we are now seeing them move to another strategy along those lines: There must be something wrong about him. Perhaps he is not even an evangelical.

Cow Poke seems to be unaware of the very basic fact that webpages are updated now and then und this a link may turn out to not provide information. A simple, simple google search would have given him this:

https://www.messiah.edu/a/academics/...=9&entryID=453

But it seems he was more concerned with giving the impression that there was no information about John Fea than finding any information.

In the link I already provided, one can easily see that John Fea identifies as an Evangelical:

"The primary reading audience is my fellow evangelicals," Fea explained in a recent interview, "but there's a secondary audience, and that is anyone who wants to understand why 81 percent of evangelicals supported Donald Trump."

There is a number of videos en which he identifies as an evangelical as well. Here is just one example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uagHfIvezqE (0:30)

In his opinion piece: 'Evangelicals for Trump' was an awful display by supposed citizens of the Kingdom of God he talks about his own background:

I have spent my entire adult life in the evangelical community. I had a born-again experience when I was 16 and never looked back. I teach history at a Christian college with evangelical roots. As a historian, I study American evangelicalism.

He once again describes Evangelicals as his fellow Evangelicals:

I watched my fellow evangelicals rising to their feet and pumping their fists when Trump said he would win reelection in 2020.

Along the lines of the opening post (that you have still failed to deliver any substantial response to) he goes on to write:

Trump spent the evening mocking his enemies, trafficking in half-truths in order to instill fear in people whom God commands to “fear not,” and proving that he is incapable of expressing anything close to Christian humility.

His evangelical supporters loved every minute of it. That night, Christians who claim to be citizens of the Kingdom of God went to church, cheered the depraved words of a president and warmly embraced his offer of political power. Such a display by evangelicals is unprecedented in American history.

I usually get angry when members of my tribe worship at the feet of Trump. This time, I just felt sad.

Let me know when you get to the point when you can focus on what he is actually saying instead of focusing on what you would like to imagine he is saying, what others are saying about him, who Charles is and whatever. It as alway interesting to note that some of you seem to be so determined to response to the thread yet seemingly find it impossible to adress the actual message but desperataly need to talk about something else. Must be hard to find yourself in that situation.

[Cow Poke]

After failing to adress John Fea's points.....

Actually, I questioned the premise on which your OP was made.

John Fea does not appear, by any means, to be an Evangelical.

[Cow Poke]

Cow Poke seems to be unaware of the very basic fact that webpages are updated now and then und this a link may turn out to not provide information.....

Wrong --- I actually did the research myself, and am still waiting for you to back up your premise.

Charles seems completely ignorant on the difference between evangelical and Evangelical. He unwittingly uses these terms interchangeably, appearing to be totally incapable of discerning the difference.

Case in point....

Charles writes..... He once again describes Evangelicals as his fellow Evangelicals:
But he quotes.... I watched my fellow evangelicals rising to their feet and pumping their fists when Trump said he would win reelection in 2020.

[Charles]

Wrong --- I actually did the research myself, and am still waiting for you to back up your premise.

Charles seems completely ignorant on the difference between evangelical and Evangelical. He unwittingly uses these terms interchangeably, appearing to be totally incapable of discerning the difference.

Case in point....

Charles writes..... He once again describes Evangelicals as his fellow Evangelicals:
But he quotes.... I watched my fellow evangelicals rising to their feet and pumping their fists when Trump said he would win reelection in 2020.

And what I was pointing to was what would be described as evangelical.

Yet, you have still failed to adress the point of a common Christian, an evangelical. You have only not been able to adress his points so far and I doubt you will ever get there. If you believe the most important thing when he adresses these points is whether he is an Evangelical or an evangelical you must be really, really narrow minded.

Let me guess: You will fail to adress his points in the next post as well. You will focus on my person, his person, "E" of "e" or anything that will give you a pass to not talk about the point he made.

[rogue06]

Actually, I questioned the premise on which your OP was made.

John Fea does not appear, by any means, to be an Evangelical.

It appears that while being called an "Evangelical historian" by sites like vox, salon and the dailykos, it might be more accurate to say that he is an historian who writes about evangelicals -- and usually in an unflattering manner.