Coronavirus Outbreak...

[Mountain Man]

Out of curiosity, would this reasoning apply to, say, the Spanish flu? What's the technical name for that? (I assume it has one, but genuinely have no idea without looking it up).

[rogue06]

More than that if we spiral into a Depression that takes a decade to recover from. We're also looking at a large number of deaths as a result. Not just suicides,^[1] but also from heart attacks, strokes caused by stress and all the diseases associated with depression (small "d") and stress since that tends to weaken the immune system.

Several years ago I read a report about the health costs associated with a faltering economy that few take into consideration. Some of things mentioned are car accidents since roads can't be repaired due to lack of funding. Hospitals can't be built because of lack in funding. Over the course of a decade the death toll from just these two things could have a staggering high death toll.

The report listed a number of other things that also would result in a substantial loss of life but those are the ones I recall years later.




1. We're all familiar with the stories of businessmen jumping out of windows during the Great Depression but far, far more were from people blowing their brains out, poisoning themselves etc. And back then folks were largely made of sterner stuff. Things that cause people to have a meltdown today would hardly have made them blink back then.

[KingsGambit]

The Spanish flu likely did not originate in Spain. Spain was one of the only countries whose government did not prohibit the press from reporting on the spread of the flu, so more news stories about it originated from Spain than anywhere else. Thus, people were left with the false impression that it primarily came from there.

[rogue06]

Here is a partial list I've put together and is far from exhaustive

• Aden Fever (a form of Dengue Fever named after the capital of Yemen)
• American trypanosomiasis (a.k.a. Chagas disease and named after the American continents -- and Chagas was the name of a Brazilian doctor)
• Devonshire colic (named after the English county)
• Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever (named after the Ebola River in west Africa)
• German Measles (named after the German doctors who first described it)
• Guinea Worm (named after the Guinea coast of West Africa)
• Hantavirus (named after the Hantan river in South Korea)
• Hendra virus (named after a suburb of Brisbane, Australia)
• Japanese Encephalitis
• La Crosse Encephalitis (named after La Crosse, Wisconsin)
• Lassa Fever (named after Lassa, Nigeria)
• Legionnaires' Disease (named after the 1976 American Legion convention in Philadelphia -- even the name of the bacteria responsible reflects this)
• Lyme Disease (named after Lyme, Connecticut)
• Marburg Virus Disease (named after Marburg, Germany)
• MERS (Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome, which came from the Arabian Peninsula)
• Norovirus (named after the city of Norwalk, Ohio)
• Omsk Hemorrhagic Fever (named after Omsk Russia)
• Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever (named after the North American mountain chain)
• Ross River Fever (named after the river in Australia)
• Salonika or Salonica Fever (often called Trench Fever and named after Thessaloniki, Greece)
• Spanish Flu
• St. Louis Encephalitis
• Valley Fever (named after San Joaquin Valley of California)
• West Nile Virus (named after the West Nile district of Uganda)
• Zika fever (named after the Ziika Forest of Uganda).

[carpedm9587]

As predicted, Fauci has become a target. Right now it is the extreme right, but I predict Trump will pick up the chant either before or slightly after Fox News does, and then it will move more center right and, eventually, Fauci will be fired. Somewhere along that sequence it will become the mantra of many here. I predict a matter of days to a couple weeks at the outside for this to happen.

This is the pattern we have seen for countless people before. Contradict Trump or show him in a bad light in any way, or become visibly more popular/beloved, and that is your fate if you work for the federal government. It doe snot matter what your record was or how you were viewed before - dirt will be slung.

[little_monkey]

Did you know that the gal from the CDC who waited until Trump was out of the country to attempt to induce panic by screaming, "We're all going to die!" is Rod Rosenstein's sister?

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...steins-sister/

Is the coronavirus really any worse than the common flu?

Worse than the Spanish flu, which killed 50 million people worldwide. When are you going to wake up???

[little_monkey]

I bet people wished we had that wall now.

Of course walls are impenetrable to viruses...

[rogue06]

The Spanish flu likely did not originate in Spain. Spain was one of the only countries whose government did not prohibit the press from reporting on the spread of the flu, so more news stories about it originated from Spain than anywhere else. Thus, people were left with the false impression that it primarily came from there.

Presently we don't know where it came from although there are a number of theories with one popular one being it originated around St. Louis, Missouri. Others include China, Great Britain and France.

[rogue06]

Of course walls are impenetrable to viruses...

They could help slow the spread which would be useful in flattening the curve.

Currently Mexico is doing next to nothing and considering the steady of influx of illegal aliens from and through that country into the U.S. that tends to makes efforts at quarantine far less effective.

[oxmixmudd]

Worse than the Spanish flu, which killed 50 million people worldwide. When are you going to wake up???

apparently no time soon. Good to know you are still around

[oxmixmudd]

Out of curiosity, would this reasoning apply to, say, the Spanish flu? What's the technical name for that? (I assume it has one, but genuinely have no idea without looking it up).

It would depend on it it came to be a pejoratice, as 'china virus' and 'chicom' virus. On these pages they are not associated with the origin but the attempt to pin blame on the Chinese for the epidemic. And that is why attacks on people of asian descent are up. The issue here is Trumps use of it as a pejorative, and the subsequent adoption of the same by his base.

[little_monkey]

The Spanish flu likely did not originate in Spain. Spain was one of the only countries whose government did not prohibit the press from reporting on the spread of the flu, so more news stories about it originated from Spain than anywhere else. Thus, people were left with the false impression that it primarily came from there.

The main reason was WW1. The flu was already in Germany, England and France. But since they were at war, no government in those countries wanted to demoralize the soldiers at the war front. But Spain wasn't at war, so the flu was reported. The earliest report of that flu is thought to be in France, in some small town from the description of the symptoms described by a doctor in his personal diary, which was discovered many years after the disease had disappeared. It doesn't mean it's the first case, just the first recorded case.

[rogue06]

As predicted, Fauci has become a target. Right now it is the extreme right, but I predict Trump will pick up the chant either before or slightly after Fox News does, and then it will move more center right and, eventually, Fauci will be fired. Somewhere along that sequence it will become the mantra of many here. I predict a matter of days to a couple weeks at the outside for this to happen.

This is the pattern we have seen for countless people before. Contradict Trump or show him in a bad light in any way, or become visibly more popular/beloved, and that is your fate if you work for the federal government. It doe snot matter what your record was or how you were viewed before - dirt will be slung.

New York Times to claim he was being "muzzled."

Now the MSM is busy trying to foment strife over recent disagreements and comments despite Fauci repeatedly declaring that there is "no fundamental difference" between Trump and him on how to handle the Chicom coronavirus.

[oxmixmudd]

I was listing the general ignorance displayed on this site, not the ignorance YOU displayed on this site. You display of ignorance has been primarily in the play it down arena, but you never tried to say it is 1/10 that of the flu.

0-10 - none recorded
11-39 - around .2%
40-49 - rises to around 1.7%
50+ - begins to rise quickly, to around 37%, for those over 80.

Is this more deadly than the flu? Yes, will it lead to millions of dead Americans or even a million? Unlikely. It will likely claim more in retirement communities so older Americans should be more careful while younger Americans should wash our hands more and sanitize more often.

Good numbers, but you are ignoring the implications of them.

It is 2x as communicable as the flu. 50% of the population is 150 mullion people. 1% of that is 1.5 million people. That is what happens if we slow the spread but do not find viable treatments that reduce the mortality rate.

If it all happens at once because we did not do anything to stop the spread, then we are looking at at least 2 or 3x that number because the mortality without competent hospital care is typically more like 4 or 5%.

So you seat of the pants speculation is irrelevant pix. The data is what counts. My numbers are based on the numbers, the statistics as they are derived from the actual progression of the disease in the world.


Wrong on two counts. First, there are countries were there is sufficient testing to know what is really happening with the spread of the disease. S. Korea is one of the best, and it is the numbers from S. Korea I am using. We are seeing the same trend in Germany were they are also doing massing testing. Early numbers that are less that 1%, and then a gradual rise towards that number. Second, we are consistently seeing numbers above 1%, and what is happeing in Italy and other countries where the spread is unchecked makes speculation this 1% number could be in any significant doubt virtually fantasy. .1 or .2% doesn't do what is happening in Italy, in Spain, in NY

[rogue06]

It would depend on it it came to be a pejoratice, as 'china virus' and 'chicom' virus. On these pages they are not associated with the origin but the attempt to pin blame on the Chinese for the epidemic. And that is why attacks on people of asian descent are up. The issue here is Trumps use of it as a pejorative, and the subsequent adoption of the same by his base.

It was never a pejorative except in the minds of those determined to be offended and with the Chicoms who don't want anyone remembering how horribly (and often deliberately so) they mishandled it.

Even Asian news services were referring to it that way.