Coronavirus Outbreak...

[lilpixieofterror]

Its not the urine on the floor that poses the greater risk, it is fecal matter; and the fecal-oral transmission route for SARS-CoV-2 may be one factor. Which makes the soap, the old fashioned cleaning techniques, applicable and effective.

Soap is only effective when used. And it was used as a cleaning agent in hospitals, by nurses, a century ago. Hospitals did have some level of cleanliness back then, when they had adequate nursing staff. (even with the wood floors, which would not go today)

[lilpixieofterror]

Before you updated from 'pea' to 'pee' i had a very humorous image pop into my head ...

[mikewhitney]

Seriously!

You are behind in toeing the party-line line. Trump has reversed himself - surprise, surprise. "On Monday, Trump acknowledged that the situation is "bad," that the virus is not under control, that the country might well be heading into a recession, and that American life would not get back to normal for months".

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/17/p...rus/index.html

oh. I have a stack of papers on my desk. I will have to see if I got that memo to follow what Trump says.

[mikewhitney]

I couldn't disagree more. The media is doing what the media should be doing: reporting on what is happening. Are they spinning the story to get eyeballs? Of course. That's the kind of news we all consume so we are getting what "we the people" want. Meanwhile, the medical experts are very clear about this, and the consequences of a "it will just go away" attitude have enormous historical precedence. Look at the history of the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic and what has already happened in Italy, Iran, and Spain.

Germany is interesting to me. Whatever they are doing, it has some strong positive elements. They are fifth in total number of cases (over 10,000) but have only 27 who have died from the disease so far. Why is their mortality rate so much lower than other countries? Just dividing total deaths by total reported cases (and I know that is a simplistic way of determining mortality rate that excludes a lot of nuance):

• China: 3,241 deaths out of 81,102 reported cases = 4.00% mortality
• Italy: 2,503 out of 31,506 reported cases = 7.94% mortality
• Iran: 1,135 of 17361 cases = 6.54% mortality
• Spain: 602 of 13784 = 4.37%
• Germany: 26 of 10,069 = 0.26%
• S. Korea: 84/8,413 = 1.00%
• France: 148/7696 = 1.92%
• U.S.: 114/6,496 = 1.75%
• Switzerland: 27/2700 = 1.00%

Germany is clearly out of the norm. Why? Something they are doing right? Lack of reporting/testing?

Curious...

Maybe Germany is a bit more cautious in their statistics and how they check for Wuhan virus

[oxmixmudd]

In fact, President Trump took action more swiftly and more resolutely than Obama and Biden did during the swine flu outbreak. Trump was on top of this thing months ago while Democrats were still pushing their impeachment hoax and accused him of racism for restricting travel to China.

The fact is he did not.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/15/o...ronavirus.html

The fact is he said it was under control when it was not.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/15/polit...rus/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/polit...ics/index.html

The fact is he tried to claim the virus itself was a hoax when it is not.

".. the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus. One of my people came up to me and said, 'Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia.' That did not work out too well." Trump told the crowd. "They could not do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. ... They tried anything. ... And this is their new hoax."
The fact is that he said it would just go away when it clearly will not.

The fact is He said the flu was more dangerous than covid-19

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN2102GY

The fact is he was more concerned about the number that lives to the point he expressed publically his preference to keep US citizens stranded on a boat with infected people so as to maintain those numbers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWLn86Mu_g

The fact is that Republicans in his corner mocked the severity of the virus when voting on the first covid-19 bill ... and then had to self-quarantine!

https://time.com/5799243/coronavirus...z-constituent/

The fact is major Trump minion David Nunes encourage people to go out to eat with their families and take advantage of the low attendence in restruants just a few days ago.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...us-nunes-bars/

[carpedm9587]

Thanks. I'll see what I can find out.

I lost all of January and a chunk of February. My symptom profile was much more consistent with flu, but I'm curious. I know several other people with similar experiences.

Kung Flu is me being a smart-ass.

I'm short on time ATM. A quick Google search for Covid-19 plasma therapy brings up many current hits.

So much miscommunication happens when all we have to work with is quickly written posts. I completely missed the humor. Thanks for the clarification and the suggestion!

[carpedm9587]

In fact, President Trump took action more swiftly and more resolutely than Obama and Biden did during the swine flu outbreak. Trump was on top of this thing months ago while Democrats were still pushing their impeachment hoax and accused him of racism for restricting travel to China.

Wow. So much actual history has to be ignored to adopt this position, I wouldn't even know where to start.

But at least I can lay one piece of misinformation to rest. The Birx comment that was quoted by Shapier in a Brietbart artcile linked to in a previous post was clarified when Birx admitted that she was referring to a test developed by China and used in China.

On Tuesday, Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House's coronavirus response coordinator, also discussed why the United States had not adopted a test distributed by WHO as the CDC-developed test struggled. "Because quality testing for our American people is paramount to us," Birx said before suggesting that other tests have been inaccurate. "It doesn't help to put out a test where 50% or 47% are false positives.

"Imagine what that would mean to the American people," she added. "Imagine their level of concern now in telling people that they're false positive." CNN has reached out to the White House for comment. The New York Times reported Tuesday that Birx later clarified her comments, saying that, while she was responding to a question about the WHO test, she was referring to a study of an early coronavirus test used in China. The study found that, in China, nearly half of asymptomatic people could test positive for Covid-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus, without being actually infected.

Regarding the test distributed by the World Health Organization, Birx said "I assume it is functional," according to the Times.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/18/healt...cdc/index.html

This number was grabbed and reported by Brietbart without the backdrop, and then seized on by many on the right as a justification for rejecting foreign tests.

On January 17th, two days before the first reported case in the U.S., the WHO published a testing protocol that was developed in Germany and could be implemented by any testing lab. Rather than use it, it was rejected and the CDC decided to make it's own, and then hit the snags that caused (ironically) 40-50% indeterminate results due to a faulty reagent. If the CDC had adopted the WHO-published German protocols, and national labs had been permitted to develop testing kits, we could have had testing distributed much, much sooner. Even the CDC test kits, which were available in early/mid February, are just now being ramped up to significant numbers.

I don't see how anyone can look at this mess and NOT say it has been grossly mismanaged.

[carpedm9587]

Maybe Germany is a bit more cautious in their statistics and how they check for Wuhan virus

That is one possibility.

[carpedm9587]

The fact is he did not.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/15/o...ronavirus.html

The fact is he said it was under control when it was not.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/15/polit...rus/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/polit...ics/index.html

The fact is he tried to claim the virus itself was a hoax when it is not.

".. the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus. One of my people came up to me and said, 'Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia.' That did not work out too well." Trump told the crowd. "They could not do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. ... They tried anything. ... And this is their new hoax."
The fact is that he said it would just go away when it clearly will not.

The fact is He said the flu was more dangerous than covid-19

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN2102GY

The fact is he was more concerned about the number that lives to the point he expressed publically his preference to keep US citizens stranded on a boat with infected people so as to maintain those numbers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWLn86Mu_g

The fact is that Republicans in his corner mocked the severity of the virus when voting on the first covid-19 bill ... and then had to self-quarantine!

https://time.com/5799243/coronavirus...z-constituent/

The fact is major Trump minion David Nunes encourage people to go out to eat with their families and take advantage of the low attendence in restruants just a few days ago.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...us-nunes-bars/

The only part I disagree with here is the part I bolded/emphasized. I don't think Trump ever said the virus itself was a hoax. What he said was that the Democrats were blowing it all out of proportion and politicizing it. I am not naive enough to think the Democrats were NOT politicizing the issue, but it's rather easy to hit a lobbed softball. Trump was messing up the response badly, giving the Democrats ample room to point to his failings and say, "we need better."

It's one of those things where pure motivations are basically not possible: they could get traction with a public that needed to be warned while simultaneously emphasizing the shortcomings of a political opponent that does not lack for shortcomings. Win-win.

[Mountain Man]

The fact is he did not.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/15/o...ronavirus.html

The fact is he said it was under control when it was not.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/15/polit...rus/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/polit...ics/index.html

The fact is he tried to claim the virus itself was a hoax when it is not.

".. the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus. One of my people came up to me and said, 'Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia.' That did not work out too well." Trump told the crowd. "They could not do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. ... They tried anything. ... And this is their new hoax."
The fact is that he said it would just go away when it clearly will not.

The fact is He said the flu was more dangerous than covid-19

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN2102GY

The fact is he was more concerned about the number that lives to the point he expressed publically his preference to keep US citizens stranded on a boat with infected people so as to maintain those numbers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWLn86Mu_g

The fact is that Republicans in his corner mocked the severity of the virus when voting on the first covid-19 bill ... and then had to self-quarantine!

https://time.com/5799243/coronavirus...z-constituent/

The fact is major Trump minion David Nunes encourage people to go out to eat with their families and take advantage of the low attendence in restruants just a few days ago.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...us-nunes-bars/

I'm not going to dig through this massive argument by web link of sources that are known to promulgate fake news, but I will address one point you elaborated on:

The fact is he tried to claim the virus itself was a hoax when it is not.

".. the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus. One of my people came up to me and said, 'Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia.' That did not work out too well." Trump told the crowd. "They could not do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. ... They tried anything. ... And this is their new hoax."

Even Snopes has debunked this one:

What's True
During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax." ...

What's False
Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tr...-rally-remark/

Don't be so gullible, and stop playing politics with this situation. It's disgusting.

[mikewhitney]

That is one possibility.

Wait!! I don't know how to handle a situation where we might agree with each other

Please. Can you just edit your post?

[Mountain Man]

Wait!! I don't know how to handle a situation where we might agree with each other

Please. Can you just edit your post?

He wasn't agreeing with you, he only conceded that it was possible. It's just carpe being his usual slippery self by refusing to make any concrete statements that can be challenged and which he would then be obligated to defend.

[firstfloor]

Pound sterling takes a hammering.

[mikewhitney]

He wasn't agreeing with you, he only conceded that it was possible. It's just carpe being his usual slippery self by refusing to make any concrete statements that can be challenged and which he would then be obligated to defend.

I worded my post carefully to avoid saying he actually agreed with me.

[rogue06]

I'm not going to dig through this massive argument by web link of sources that are known to promulgate fake news, but I will address one point you elaborated on:


Even Snopes has debunked this one:

What's True
During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax." ...

What's False
Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tr...-rally-remark/

Don't be so gullible, and stop playing politics with this situation. It's disgusting.

I'll just point out something concerning the first two sources cited:

They do hate Trump so much that some were trying to get folks to call the coronavirus the Trumpvirus and saying "if you're feeling awful, you know who to blame" (New York Times) and even got a hyper-partisan like Debbie Dingell (D-MI) to chastise them for taking "cheap shots" when they tried to get her to bash Trump (CNN).