Coronavirus Outbreak...

[shunyadragon]

You obviously didn't read the sources I've linked to if you think this answers anything I've referenced.

You provided disjoint references supposedly an argument for or against tracking. You provided a cut and past reference concerning How a case of COVD-19 case is defined, which is not related to the argument for or against tracking.

You drew a conclusion of an inflated infection rate., which is bogus. The infection rate is more complex than your simplistic generalization. This cite: https://ourworldindata.org/covid-cases gives the figures of different measures of cases and fatalities and how they describe the infection rate, which is managed by Oxford University.

As I cited the primary hallmark of the infection rate is the severe cases, hospitalizations and fatalities due to COVID-19. and the purpose of tracking is to prevent further infection related to the the severe cases, hospitalizations and fatalities.

Again the current surge in cases in June and now July is documented by the severe cases, hospitalizations, and fatalities, and not simply counts of positive cases.

[shunyadragon]

Source: https://www.foxnews.com/world/8000-chinese-nationals-came-into-us-after-trump-travel-ban-coronavirus

Up to 8,000 Chinese nationals came into US after Trump banned travel due to coronavirus: AP

More than 600 flights brought in travelers from these areas after Trump announced his travel ban in late January and it was enacted Feb. 2.
By Caitlin McFall | Fox News

Up to 8,000 Chinese nationals came into US after Trump banned travel due to coronavirus: AP
More than 600 flights brought in travelers from these areas after Trump announced his travel ban in late January and it was enacted Feb. 2.
By Caitlin McFall | Fox News

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[shunyadragon]

I previous brought up the question of possible regional herd immunity, and genetic resistance and protection against the coronaviruses in the Orient and Africa related to the strain that causes COVID-19. The following article describes an aspect of our Neanderthal genetics that makes Westerners more susceptible to COVID-19.

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/04/health/coronavirus-neanderthals.html

DNA Linked to Covid-19 Was Inherited From Neanderthals, Study Finds

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[Bill the Cat]

Source: https://www.foxnews.com/world/8000-chinese-nationals-came-into-us-after-trump-travel-ban-coronavirus

Up to 8,000 Chinese nationals came into US after Trump banned travel due to coronavirus: AP

More than 600 flights brought in travelers from these areas after Trump announced his travel ban in late January and it was enacted Feb. 2.
By Caitlin McFall | Fox News

Up to 8,000 Chinese nationals came into US after Trump banned travel due to coronavirus: AP
More than 600 flights brought in travelers from these areas after Trump announced his travel ban in late January and it was enacted Feb. 2.
By Caitlin McFall | Fox News

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So, the airlines can't follow directions. Let's blame them for letting it in.

[shunyadragon]

So, the airlines can't follow directions. Let's blame them for letting it in.

No, Trump just put a large holed sieve over flights from China so that the exceptions still went through. The reality is that Trump did not put an absolute ban on flights from China without exceptions, actually only limited safeguards of those arriving.

[Bill the Cat]

No, Trump just put a large holed sieve over flights from China so that the exceptions still went through. The reality is that Trump did not put an absolute ban on flights from China without exceptions, actually only limited safeguards of those arriving.

The exceptions were supposed to be for American citizens of Chinese origin. You just can't tell citizens of this country that they can not come into the country.

[shunyadragon]

The exceptions were supposed to be for American citizens of Chinese origin. You just can't tell citizens of this country that they can not come into the country.

Well, the Chinese citizens and other citizens of the USA turned into a very big hole in the effort to make an effort to stop the COVID-19 pandemic in the USA.

They were not the only ones that got in, because flights with Chinese and Europeans came in by many different routes.

[seanD]

Los Angelenos thumb their nose at Garcetti, his anti-fourth of July mandate, and covid...

I live here. It sounded like a war zone all night long, from about 6PM to 12AM when I went to bed. These aren't Republicans. These are leftists just tried of the lockdown BS. You're in trouble when you have the left rebelling.

[Bill the Cat]

Well, the Chinese citizens and other citizens of the USA turned into a very big hole in the effort to make an effort to stop the COVID-19 pandemic in the USA.

They were not the only ones that got in, because flights with Chinese and Europeans came in by many different routes.

And I blame the airlines. They were made aware of the rules and didn't enforce them. Contrast that to the Air New Zealand incident from this past week to see how an airline that follows orders behaves.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

The exceptions were supposed to be for American citizens of Chinese origin. You just can't tell citizens of this country that they can not come into the country.

They could have been quarantined - or better still, tested.

[Bill the Cat]

They could have been quarantined - or better still, tested.

Or the airlines could have told them that they were not allowed in.

[carpedm9587]

Research into state health regulations by Fog City Midge shows that new guidance for the definition of COVID-19 positive infections is likely the biggest background cause in a dramatic upswing in positive test results.

[...]

This revelation would explain exactly why those who construct the reporting systems are pushing so hard for contact tracing. According to the new guidance anyone who comes into contact with a person who tests positive is now also considered positive.

Nice convenient way to inflate the infection rate.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...g-definitions/

This has to be the most preposterous claim I have seen in a LONG time. I have seen absolutely NO such guidance from ANY quarter, and it makes zero sense. "Confirmed" has always meant "confirmed by test," not by association.

Where do conspiracy nuts come UP with this stuff...?

[carpedm9587]

You're on a roll with this genetic fallacy thing, aren't you?

How about a response that actually addresses the study instead of dismissing the messenger?

I find this response odd, given the number of times I have quoted a source (e.g., politico, snopes, WashPo, etc.) only to have you post an almost identical response: the publication cited followed by one of the various laughing emojis.

I agree that dismissing something because of its source is the very definition of "the genetic fallacy," and you seem to engage in it regularly.

Good for the goose? Good for the gander?

[seanD]

This has to be the most preposterous claim I have seen in a LONG time. I have seen absolutely NO such guidance from ANY quarter, and it makes zero sense. "Confirmed" has always meant "confirmed by test," not by association.

Where do conspiracy nuts come UP with this stuff...?

Using the term "conspiracy nut" is not a good rebuttal, and usually has the reverse effect of what you intend. When folks dismiss something or someone out of hand as a "conspiracy nut," that gives off the stench that they can't refute the argument so they resort to that tactic because it's so quick and easy. A more convincing argument would be to address the pdf and prove where that interpretation is wrong.

[carpedm9587]

Source: https://www.foxnews.com/world/8000-chinese-nationals-came-into-us-after-trump-travel-ban-coronavirus

Up to 8,000 Chinese nationals came into US after Trump banned travel due to coronavirus: AP

More than 600 flights brought in travelers from these areas after Trump announced his travel ban in late January and it was enacted Feb. 2.
By Caitlin McFall | Fox News

Up to 8,000 Chinese nationals came into US after Trump banned travel due to coronavirus: AP
More than 600 flights brought in travelers from these areas after Trump announced his travel ban in late January and it was enacted Feb. 2.
By Caitlin McFall | Fox News

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I believe the total number of people who came to the U.S. from China after the so-called "travel ban" was approximately 40,000. The ban had so many loopholes it was largely pointless.