Coronavirus Outbreak...

[carpedm9587]

So what? The fact remains that the U.S., the Trump administration, ignored the warnings of a pandemic, rejected the offered test kits from the W.H.O., sent out faulty test kits of their own making, and started testing late which allowed the virus to further spread in the first place. And that is just testing which there is still to this day a shortage of as well as a shortage of protective gear. They also delayed in setting up guidelines such as wearing masks, social distancing, banning crowds etc etc. Even now, Trump, by executive order, is sending meat processing employees back to work without the enforcement of OSHA and CDC rules even though thousands of cases have been traced back to those plants.

Well...partly true. Although the WHO does supply test kits to some countries, it never has done so for the U.S. What the U.S. rejected were the protocols (developed in Germany) for creating test kits, electing instead to develop their own. The German protocols have been widely used, and have been shown to be extremely reliable. The decision to create our own was one of the many factors that contributed to the ongoing delays in testing.

The part about OSHA and CDC rules I have not seen, so I have no opinion.

[lilpixieofterror]

It is not necessary to excuse the plant owners from their responsibility to provide a safe working environment to get the plants back to work. But it is consistent with Trumps lack of empathy and general concern for people. The Same act he is using to direct them back to work could be used to make sure the work environments are themselves safe. But he chose to be the slave owner whipping the slaves back to work rather than the competent but compassionate leader that sees and responds to the legitimate needs of the entire country.

Why would the government be concerned about getting meat packing plants working again, maybe because:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...forced-to-cull

[rogue06]

Why would the government be concerned about getting meat packing plants working again, maybe because:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...forced-to-cull

Who cares that the price of food is rapidly rising and shortages being predicted. And that tens of millions of people are now out of work so this is going to hit them hard. They can just go to their pair of commercial refrigerators that cost between $20,000 to $30,000 each and pull out one of their dozens of half pint cartons of boutique ice cream that cost about $12 each like Nancy Pelosi does.

[lilpixieofterror]

Who cares that the price of food is rapidly rising and shortages being predicted. And that tens of millions of people are now out of work so this is going to hit them hard. They can just go to their pair of commercial refrigerators that cost between $20,000 to $30,000 each and pull out one of their dozens of half pint cartons of boutique ice cream that cost about $12 each like Nancy Pelosi does.

Remember, even the suggestion that lightly impacted areas might need to start opening up, to try to lessen the economic impact and destruction, means you want millions to die of China Flu.

[carpedm9587]

Who cares that the price of food is rapidly rising and shortages being predicted. And that tens of millions of people are now out of work so this is going to hit them hard. They can just go to their pair of commercial refrigerators that cost between $20,000 to $30,000 each and pull out one of their dozens of half pint cartons of boutique ice cream that cost about $12 each like Nancy Pelosi does.

Do you happen to know the brand/model of the fridges? Commercial fridges, as with all things, are on a spectrum. You can play as little as $1,500 and as much as $45K. I cannot make out the brand in the video, and can't even tell if they ARE commercial fridges, since there are large home fridges of this type as well.

So where do you get $20-$30K?

[oxmixmudd]

Why would the government be concerned about getting meat packing plants working again, maybe because:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...forced-to-cull

There is literally not one word in that post that says trump is wrong to try to keep the plants open.

It's like talking to a child with her fingers in her ears and her eyes shut as hard as she can that just wants to scream as loud as she can regardless of what the other person is trying to say..

[oxmixmudd]

Who cares that the price of food is rapidly rising and shortages being predicted. And that tens of millions of people are now out of work so this is going to hit them hard. They can just go to their pair of commercial refrigerators that cost between $20,000 to $30,000 each and pull out one of their dozens of half pint cartons of boutique ice cream that cost about $12 each like Nancy Pelosi does.

You too have lost the capacity to actually understand what the other person actually said in their reply. The plants need to stay open. But the greedy and abusive plant owners also must be forced to provide a safe working environment because they most assuredly will not do it otherwise. They could care less how much blood is on the dollars in their bank accounts.

[lilpixieofterror]

There is literally not one word in that post that says trump is wrong to try to keep the plants open.

It's like talking to a child with her fingers in her ears and her eyes shut as hard as she can that just wants to scream as loud as she can regardless of what the other person is trying to say..

[lilpixieofterror]

You too have lost the capacity to actually understand what the other person actually said in their reply. The plants need to stay open. But the greedy and abusive plant owners also must be forced to provide a safe working environment because they most assuredly will not do it otherwise. They could care less how much blood is on the dollars in their bank accounts.

[rogue06]

Do you happen to know the brand/model of the fridges? Commercial fridges, as with all things, are on a spectrum. You can play as little as $1,500 and as much as $45K. I cannot make out the brand in the video, and can't even tell if they ARE commercial fridges, since there are large home fridges of this type as well.

So where do you get $20-$30K?

There have been several stories on it with estimates on it ranging from $20-30K depending on the source (I suggest Googling it). The fact is that while repeatedly delaying relief to businesses (who did absolutely nothing wrong but were shut down by the government) and millions of Americans put out of work due to the same government measures while trying to load them down with pork and ideological programs^[1], Pelosi is "commiserating" with those "stinky, sweaty"^[2] masses standing in front of her pair of refrigerator/freezers each worth more than the average American's car and showing her stash of half pints of ice cream that costs about three times more than the typical gallon does around here.




1. As former Obama chief-of-staff Rahm Emanuel once notoriously quipped, "Never allow a good crisis go to waste" (although some sources omit the "good").

2. To be fair that isn't how she referred to average Americans but how former Democrat Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid characterized them when they came to Washington D.C. to take in the sights.

[JimL]

Well...partly true. Although the WHO does supply test kits to some countries, it never has done so for the U.S. What the U.S. rejected were the protocols (developed in Germany) for creating test kits, electing instead to develop their own. The German protocols have been widely used, and have been shown to be extremely reliable. The decision to create our own was one of the many factors that contributed to the ongoing delays in testing.

True, but the fact is that the test kits from the WHO were available to the US and they chose not to use them. Their own manurfactured test kits failed and red tape prevented private labs from using their own kits.

The part about OSHA and CDC rules I have not seen, so I have no opinion.

The safety guidelines for re-opening the processing plants had language in them that allowed the plants to completely ignore them, which is not how OSHA rules are normally set. Someone, (Trump) certainly not OSHA, had that language inserted into those guidelines.

[oxmixmudd]

Pix -

Again - in BIG BOLD LETTERS: I SAID NOTHING THE IMPLIED IT IS WRONG TO KEEP THE PLANTS GOING.



Why are you avoiding the fact that Trump did NOT do anything for force the plant owners to provide the necessary PPE and accommodations that will protect the plant workers.

Failure to answer will show exactly who has some hysterical aversion to the truth.

[carpedm9587]

True, but the fact is that the test kits from the WHO were available to the US and they chose not to use them. Their own manurfactured test kits failed and red tape prevented private labs from using their own kits.

I'm pretty sure the WHO seldom (if ever?) provides actual testing kits to developed countries. They tend to provide them to developed countries and provide the protocols to developed countries.

The safety guidelines for re-opening the processing plants had language in them that allowed the plants to completely ignore them, which is not how OSHA rules are normally set. Someone, (Trump) certainly not OSHA, had that language inserted into those guidelines.

Sources?

[lilpixieofterror]

Pix -

Again - in BIG BOLD LETTERS: I SAID NOTHING THE IMPLIED IT IS WRONG TO KEEP THE PLANTS GOING.



Why are you avoiding the fact that Trump did NOT do anything for force the plant owners to provide the necessary PPE and accommodations that will protect the plant workers.

Failure to answer will show exactly who has some hysterical aversion to the truth.

I never said a word about that. What I said is the government has a vested interest in opening these plants. Considering your less than charitable ability to read what Trump says and does, where is your source?

[carpedm9587]

Worldwide confirmed new cases have now increased four days in a row, as have U.S. new cases. Deaths have increased for the last four days and only slightly dropped (2390 to 2200) yesterday. New York is way down and clearly flattening the curve, but their drop in new cases and deaths has been compensated for by spiking in other states, especially MA, PA, IL, NJ, and CA. MI is also still up there for deaths.

I do not see a great deal in the numbers to rejoice about. At 64,856 deaths, we have now passed the worst-case flu year, and we did it in less than 5 weeks. At least most of the "it's nothing" and "it's no worse than the flu" voices have largely clammed up. White House projections are for 74K deaths by August. Frankly, I have no idea what they are basing that on. We are on track to hit that number by next weekend.

Meanwhile, federal mismanagement continues unabated, all but ensuring that we will either have an extended shutdown or have to shut down all over again when the current relaxations cause the almost inevitable second wave.

I long for competent leadership. Maybe, at long last, Trump's base will see just what kind of ineffective noob they put in the Oval Office. But I frankly doubt it. The personality cult runs deep.