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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostBlack Americans are coming home to the GOP
Anecdotally, I'm seeing this in my own area. While my Church congregation pretty well mirrors ethnicity in the community in general, where I do my "missions" stuff in town - I'm clearly a minority.
I would say that, on average, the people I work with (both ministerial, social services, clients, etc) would be about 80-85% black. Don't know why that is, but it is.
Some of the blacks who used to be very anti-Trump are not so much anymore.
Some of the blacks who didn't used to talk about politics are a little more vocal now, and critical of the Democrats.
Some of the blacks who didn't used to talk about politics are actually speaking well of Trump and the economy.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostBack in the late 50s (there were Civil Rights bills passed then as well) through the 60s you would be very hard pressed to find a Southern Republican in national office. In effect you could fit all of them comfortably in a car."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by seanD View PostPeople seem to be greatly underestimating the political stigma around Trump, which is why I believe polls about Trump might be wrong. This stigma would be even greater in the black community. You don't openly admit you support such a racist nazi, especially if you're black.
Social media gives some indication that it's an actual movement, but the polls themselves aren't worth the pixels to display them."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostOn a tandem bike, more like...
That tandem bike got awful big in just a few short years. And by 1964, Goldwater won by a landslide. Whites Alabamans voted Republican, black Alabamans did not. One major issue for Alabama voters was the federal Civil rights legislation.
One key issue in them 62 race for the senate was Hill's ineffectiveness in preventing federal trips to be used to,force integration against the states' democratically chosen policy. A key issue in the 64 presidential race was states rights to enforce segregation.
So much for the myth of Republicans as the party of civil rights. Civil rights divided the country, and divided each party
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Is rep King really outside the mainstream of Republicans or conservatives? (when did white nationalism become a bad thing?).
One the one hand he seems so far out there, yet each over the top comment draws a wide range of defense, and he gets reelected.
Has the Republican Party been successful in distancing themselves from King?
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Originally posted by Terraceth View PostThis is a massive oversimplification to the point it's not really true. In the House, 61% of Democrats voted in favor of passing the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and 80% of Republicans voted for it. In the Senate, 69% of Democrats voted in favor, and 81% of Republicans. (then it went back to the House in which 63% of Democrats voted in favor and 80% of Republicans voted in favor) So while it is true there was more support for it among Republicans than Democrats, it is incorrect to imply the opposition was only from Democrats or that it was only Republicans that passed it.
This was really more of a regional vote than a partisan one, as representatives (Republican and Democrat) from the northern states overwhelmingly voted yes while representative (Republican and Democrat) from the southern states overwhelmingly voted no. There wasn't a single Southern Republican in the House or Senate that voted yes.
Anyhow I'm going to repost something from awhile back in order to set the record straight before the historical revisionism leads us too far astray.
Originally posted by rogue06 View PostYou do realize that the Dixiecrats were Democrats not Republicans don't you? They weren't Dixiecans. And most returned to the Democratic Party and remained Democrats their entire lives with a few exceptions.
It was the Democrats that led the record Senate filibuster in opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Included among the organizers were several prominent and well-known liberal Democrat standard-bearers including Robert Byrd (Senate Majority Leader, President pro tempore of the Senate[1][2]1. Third in the line of succession to the presidency behind the Vice President and Speaker of the House
2. In a speech on civil rights Al Gore claimed that,
The fact is the party that led opposition to Civil Rights legislation was the Democrats. Sure there were some Republicans but they were pretty much on the sidelines.
And as Lyndon Johnson (who is now held up as some sort of patron of Civil Rights but actually vehemently opposed such legislation) so delicately put it to two governors on Air Force One after passage of the Civil Rights Act: "I'll have those [n-word] voting Democratic for the next 200 years." LBJ was likely our most racist president since fellow Democrat Woodrow Wilson.
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostThe Republican Party withered away in the fifties, even in the traditionally Republican north counties. But in 1962, Senator Hill barely squeaked by over the Republican challenger. Hill was powerful and a long serving politician. Hill was a kingpin in Alabama politics. I think I incorrectly said Hill was defeated earlier.
That tandem bike got awful big in just a few short years. And by 1964, Goldwater won by a landslide. Whites Alabamans voted Republican, black Alabamans did not. One major issue for Alabama voters was the federal Civil rights legislation.
One key issue in them 62 race for the senate was Hill's ineffectiveness in preventing federal trips to be used to,force integration against the states' democratically chosen policy. A key issue in the 64 presidential race was states rights to enforce segregation.
So much for the myth of Republicans as the party of civil rights. Civil rights divided the country, and divided each party
This doesn't refute the point - Republicans wouldn't consistently win in the South for another two decades."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI should have said that most of the opposition came from Democrats instead of making it a blanket statement which would be incorrect. Mea Culpa.
Anyhow I'm going to repost something from awhile back in order to set the record straight before the historical revisionism leads us too far astray.
The fact is the party that led opposition to Civil Rights legislation was the Democrats. Sure there were some Republicans but they were pretty much on the sidelines.
And as Lyndon Johnson (who is now held up as some sort of patron of Civil Rights but actually vehemently opposed such legislation) so delicately put it to two governors on Air Force One after passage of the Civil Rights Act: "I'll have those [n-word] voting Democratic for the next 200 years." LBJ was likely our most racist president since fellow Democrat Woodrow Wilson."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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At the risk of getting Chuck scurrying in here squeaking and squealing about "whataboutism" when you compare what Trump said in the Access Hollywood tape to the things Johnson repeatedly did it pales into near insignificance. Women staffers were repeatedly warned not to enter any elevator with him unless they wanted to be physically assaulted.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostIs rep King really outside the mainstream of Republicans or conservatives? (when did white nationalism become a bad thing?).
One the one hand he seems so far out there, yet each over the top comment draws a wide range of defense, and he gets reelected.
Has the Republican Party been successful in distancing themselves from King?
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI should have said that most of the opposition came from Democrats instead of making it a blanket statement which would be incorrect. Mea Culpa.
Anyhow I'm going to repost something from awhile back in order to set the record straight before the historical revisionism leads us too far astray.
The fact is the party that led opposition to Civil Rights legislation was the Democrats. Sure there were some Republicans but they were pretty much on the sidelines.
And as Lyndon Johnson (who is now held up as some sort of patron of Civil Rights but actually vehemently opposed such legislation) so delicately put it to two governors on Air Force One after passage of the Civil Rights Act: "I'll have those [n-word] voting Democratic for the next 200 years." LBJ was likely our most racist president since fellow Democrat Woodrow Wilson.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThe Dixie-crats, as a result of the republicans "southern strategy" were simply the republicans of today. Johnson, like everyone that grows up in a racist society has racism in them, but unlike the republican party of today Johnson was a champion of civil rights regardless of any inherent racism. Fact is that today, the republicans, mostly for political reasons, have adopted if you will, the racist perspective of the Dixie-crats.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThe Dixie-crats, as a result of the republicans "southern strategy" were simply the republicans of today. Johnson, like everyone that grows up in a racist society has racism in them, but unlike the republican party of today Johnson was a champion of civil rights regardless of any inherent racism. Fact is that today, the republicans, mostly for political reasons, have adopted if you will, the racist perspective of the Dixie-crats.
Better the jackass that tells you to your face that he hates your guts (oddly rare in the actual Dixiecrats) than the slimebag that convinces you to kill your own child."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
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My Novella blog (Current Novella Begins on 7/25/14)
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