Purely a procedural question regarding the OP: has there been any resolution on whether the impeachment technically went through, if the articles are not transmitted? If it's true that the transmittal of the articles is a requirement for the impeachment to actually have happened, has there been any discussion about an amount of time that they could be held? I don't mean discussion here, I mean by legal scholars. I'm wondering if there's been any kind of consensus on this.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYou guys keep.acting like the Senate has to proceed as if the weakness of the Democrat case against Trump isn't already public knowledge. I don't buy that. There's impartiality, and then there's unreasonable ignorance.
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Originally posted by Zymologist View PostPurely a procedural question regarding the OP: has there been any resolution on whether the impeachment technically went through, if the articles are not transmitted? If it's true that the transmittal of the articles is a requirement for the impeachment to actually have happened, has there been any discussion about an amount of time that they could be held? I don't mean discussion here, I mean by legal scholars. I'm wondering if there's been any kind of consensus on this.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThe House has to first turn over the articles to the senate, and as far as I know there is no legal time limit specified to do that. It's not in the Constitution, so unless it's an established House rule, and it apparently is not, it's up to them.I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.
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Originally posted by Zymologist View PostThis seems to be Noah Feldman's take, and that is that Trump has not, in fact, been impeached. Where are you getting this from? Any source other than Feldman?
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Originally posted by Tassman View Posthttps://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...artial/603658/
In short, the trial of the president will be a sham run at the personal direction of the president himself.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Let's pretend that Pelosi is only holding back the articles because she is playing politics (in some sense she is certainly playing politics but I mean lets look at it purely from an angle of inflicting maximum pain on the resident). Wouldn't you all agree that with new bombshells emerging every day it only makes sense to wait as long as possible? This article is from 12/29 and reveal a lot of new details but most damning that
Opposition to the order from his top national security advisers was more intense than previously known. In late August, Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper joined Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and John R. Bolton, the national security adviser at the time, for a previously undisclosed Oval Office meeting with the president where they tried but failed to convince him that releasing the aid was in interests of the United States.
which certainly weakens defenses that continuing to hold the aid was in the United States best interest.
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Originally posted by DivineOb View PostLet's pretend that Pelosi is only holding back the articles because she is playing politics (in some sense she is certainly playing politics but I mean lets look at it purely from an angle of inflicting maximum pain on the resident). Wouldn't you all agree that with new bombshells emerging every day it only makes sense to wait as long as possible? This article is from 12/29 and reveal a lot of new details but most damning that
Opposition to the order from his top national security advisers was more intense than previously known. In late August, Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper joined Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and John R. Bolton, the national security adviser at the time, for a previously undisclosed Oval Office meeting with the president where they tried but failed to convince him that releasing the aid was in interests of the United States.
which certainly weakens defenses that continuing to hold the aid was in the United States best interest.
Besides, the "new information" coming out on the Democrats' side tends to show they rushed to judgment before all the information was in.
I'm really thinking that both sides already have their minds made up, and nothing short of something powerfully explosive isn't going to move the needle.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostOn the other side, there's new info coming out on the beginning of this whole thing, and the tainted FBI personnel involved.
Besides, the "new information" coming out on the Democrats' side tends to show they rushed to judgment before all the information was in.
I'm really thinking that both sides already have their minds made up, and nothing short of something powerfully explosive isn't going to move the needle.
I agree we need something powerfully explosive to grind away at the currently unconvinced. You don't find Trump overrulling the SoS and Secretary of Defense to continue holding the aid a little bit explosive? What about Bolton and Pompeo testifying to that effect?
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Originally posted by DivineOb View PostI'd be more than happy to read legit (yeah, I get to decide to ignore news which doesn't appear in, at minimum, Fox. Fell for that trap in 2016 already.) reporting which points to the Democrats rushing to judgement on UKR.
It's like she put a gun to her own head and threatened she's gonna pull the trigger if the Republicans don't do what she says.
I agree we need something powerfully explosive to grind away at the currently unconvinced.
You don't find Trump overrulling the SoS and Secretary of Defense to continue holding the aid a little bit explosive? What about Bolton and Pompeo testifying to that effect?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by DivineOb View PostLet's pretend that Pelosi is only holding back the articles because she is playing politics (in some sense she is certainly playing politics but I mean lets look at it purely from an angle of inflicting maximum pain on the resident). Wouldn't you all agree that with new bombshells emerging every day it only makes sense to wait as long as possible? This article is from 12/29 and reveal a lot of new details but most damning that
Opposition to the order from his top national security advisers was more intense than previously known. In late August, Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper joined Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and John R. Bolton, the national security adviser at the time, for a previously undisclosed Oval Office meeting with the president where they tried but failed to convince him that releasing the aid was in interests of the United States.
which certainly weakens defenses that continuing to hold the aid was in the United States best interest.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI think I've pretty well tired of the whole thing.
My take is just like the Republicans were out to get Clinton but impeached him for a totally valid and correct reason the Democrats are out to get Trump but are also impeaching him for a completely legit reason too. I was going through a conservative phase (it was during the time I was a professing Christian) during Clinton's impeachment so it was easier for me to support it back then but I've always thought it was fair that he was impeached. I honestly believe that a dispassionate assessment of the evidence leads to a clear conclusion in both cases but I can totally understand how starting from different preconditions could lead one down a different path.
To get things a little back on topic, has Mitch McConnell said that the Senate can start the trial without the formal delivery of the articles? It seems to me that if that were the case it would significantly strengthen his apparent bargaining position in the public sphere. I.e. how unreasonable are these Democrats, we don't even need their consent yet they come to us with demands!
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAnybody who watches the news is aware of this, Shuny. But thanks for the update.It is none of the House's business how the Senate conducts its business, just like it was none of the Senate's business how the House ran their sham impeachment.
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Originally posted by DivineOb View PostThanks for your response. If you're curious here's my position:
My take is just like the Republicans were out to get Clinton but impeached him for a totally valid and correct reason the Democrats are out to get Trump but are also impeaching him for a completely legit reason too. I was going through a conservative phase (it was during the time I was a professing Christian) during Clinton's impeachment so it was easier for me to support it back then but I've always thought it was fair that he was impeached. I honestly believe that a dispassionate assessment of the evidence leads to a clear conclusion in both cases but I can totally understand how starting from different preconditions could lead one down a different path.
To get things a little back on topic, has Mitch McConnell said that the Senate can start the trial without the formal delivery of the articles? It seems to me that if that were the case it would significantly strengthen his apparent bargaining position in the public sphere. I.e. how unreasonable are these Democrats, we don't even need their consent yet they come to us with demands!
As for what McConnell is planning to do, no idea. He seems content to wait for the time being, although I'm sure there's probably a lot of backroom negotiations going on.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by DivineOb View PostThanks for your response. If you're curious here's my position:
My take is just like the Republicans were out to get Clinton but impeached him for a totally valid and correct reason the Democrats are out to get Trump but are also impeaching him for a completely legit reason too.
I was going through a conservative phase (it was during the time I was a professing Christian) during Clinton's impeachment so it was easier for me to support it back then but I've always thought it was fair that he was impeached. I honestly believe that a dispassionate assessment of the evidence leads to a clear conclusion in both cases but I can totally understand how starting from different preconditions could lead one down a different path.
To get things a little back on topic, has Mitch McConnell said that the Senate can start the trial without the formal delivery of the articles? It seems to me that if that were the case it would significantly strengthen his apparent bargaining position in the public sphere. I.e. how unreasonable are these Democrats, we don't even need their consent yet they come to us with demands!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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