Trump Isn�t Impeached Until the House Tells the Senate

[Mountain Man]

in all things appertaining to the trial of [in this case, Donald J. Trump] now pending, I will do impartial

Sure, I would have no problem with swearing that oath knowing full well that the Democrats don't have a case and that the only correct course of action is to dismiss all charges. Regardless of where Republicans stand on the issue, impartiality demands that this thing be booted back to the House for clean up, especially with the Democrats openly admitting that they don't have enough evidence to convince a jury. The proper place for fact gathering is the House. The proper place for judging those facts is the Senate. That's how this works, per the Constitution.

[DivineOb]

Sure, I would have no problem with swearing that oath knowing full well that the Democrats don't have a case and that the only correct course of action is to dismiss all charges.

Ok :). But could you do that knowing you had worked directly with the defendant prior to taking the oath?

[Mountain Man]

Ok :). But could you do that knowing you had worked directly with the defendant prior to taking the oath?

If you're asking would I collude with the defense to suppress a compelling case by the prosecution, no, I would not, but that does not describe present happenings in Washington.

[JimL]

If you're asking would I collude with the defense to suppress a compelling case by the prosecution, no, I would not, but that does not describe present happenings in Washington.

Oh, yes it does describe exactly that. Do you not understand the words that are coming out of Moscow Mitch's mouth!

[JimL]

Sure, I would have no problem with swearing that oath knowing full well that the Democrats don't have a case and that the only correct course of action is to dismiss all charges. Regardless of where Republicans stand on the issue, impartiality demands that this thing be booted back to the House for clean up, especially with the Democrats openly admitting that they don't have enough evidence to convince a jury. The proper place for fact gathering is the House. The proper place for judging those facts is the Senate. That's how this works, per the Constitution.

Had you been interviewed to participate on an actual jury, you'd be tossed out on your rear.

[Mountain Man]

Had you been interviewed to participate on an actual jury, you'd be tossed out on your rear.

You're right, I probably would be tossed out of a jury pool but only because lawyer's try to find the most ignorant and gullible people they can to hear a case.

You, on the other hand, would have an easy time being selected.

[Teallaura]

A normal case doesn't include a president who has the power to block and delay, if they did the prosecutor would take a solid case like this to trial even without a smoking gun and with a normol unbiased jury would most likely convict. In this case the prosecutor, the House is depending on the good judgement of the American people.

Er, that's a great reason to appeal for certiorari and a lousy one to proceed with impeachment.

I'm beginning to think the Senate is going to dismiss, possibly tomorrow. That would send it back to the House where it belongs while the investigation is ongoing.

[JimL]

Er, that's a great reason to appeal for certiorari and a lousy one to proceed with impeachment.

I'm beginning to think the Senate is going to dismiss, possibly tomorrow. That would send it back to the House where it belongs while the investigation is ongoing.

That could take years before an impeachment vote at which point it would be to late. Now he has been impeached, conviction is now in the hands of the corrupt republican led Senate.

[DivineOb]

If you're asking would I collude with the defense to suppress a compelling case by the prosecution, no, I would not, but that does not describe present happenings in Washington.

in total coordination

[Mountain Man]

in total coordination

Again, the idea that the Senate must necessarily begin proceedings as if they are wholly ignorant of how weak the Democrat case is against the President is absurd.

[Cow Poke]

in total coordination

Were you this unhappy when the Demomcrats conducted their impeachment sham in total coordination with THEIR leaders?

[DivineOb]

Were you this unhappy when the Demomcrats conducted their impeachment sham in total coordination with THEIR leaders?

If they had sworn a similar oath I would call them out on their dishonesty, yes. Not exactly related but as an example I was highly critical of Clinton in 2016 for various reasons (yes, even including how she handled her emails). I am a firm believer in oversight and checks and balances. I hate how easily that oversight can be used to play (dishonest) politics but that's like the first amendment -- you have to take the bad to ensure you don't lose the good.

[DivineOb]

Again, the idea that the Senate must necessarily begin proceedings as if they are wholly ignorant of how weak the Democrat case is against the President is absurd.

Can you give me a 'yes, it would be dishonest' or 'no, it would not be dishonest'? A verse about specks and planks starts to come to mind...

[Mountain Man]

Can you give me a 'yes, it would be dishonest' or 'no, it would not be dishonest'? A verse about specks and planks starts to come to mind...

Ah, I see, so you don't want a nuanced answer, you want a simplistic yes or no that can be construed however you wish.

[Cow Poke]

If they had sworn a similar oath I would call them out on their dishonesty, yes. Not exactly related but as an example I was highly critical of Clinton in 2016 for various reasons (yes, even including how she handled her emails). I am a firm believer in oversight and checks and balances. I hate how easily that oversight can be used to play (dishonest) politics but that's like the first amendment -- you have to take the bad to ensure you don't lose the good.

OK, so let's go back to basics --- what is it you believe the Republicans will be violating regarding an oath. And is it the oath of office they took when they were installed in the Senate, or some oath as they prepare for whatever? Let's go back to the beginning.