Christianity Today Op Ed

[Sam]

Yes there was! They are called the Virginia Flaggers. That you are willfully ignorant of their attendance is solely on you. And now that you've been told by someone with more direct knowledge, repeating your lie is willful, and therefore, sinful.



Not if you have a greater purpose for being there. Attending DESPITE the ignoramuses is a rather courageous thing to do.

Where was the presence of the Flaggers? Apart from the marchers and neo-Nazis or there in the thick of 'em?

If your "greater purpose" of preserving monuments (erected in the early 1900s to promote white supremacy) is compatible with marching alongside neo-Nazis and "Jews will not replace us" chanters then you are rightly and fairly counted among the neo-Nazis and white nationalists.

It should be cause for reevaluating your presence in a group with its own apparent white extremist problems:

Source: For the Virginia Flaggers, It�s Hate, Not Heritage. Kevin M. Levin. The Daily Beast. 2017.04.13

The organization has enjoyed steady coverage by local media outlets over the last five years, but few reporters have looked closely at Flagger membership or the individuals and organizations with which it has found common cause. Some of these individuals are directly connected with White Nationalist groups such as the League of the South, which openly promote white supremacy. Such a close association blurs the lines between legitimate concerns for the preservation of history and heritage and the racial politics of the present.

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--Sam

[One Bad Pig]

Where was the presence of the Flaggers? Apart from the marchers and neo-Nazis or there in the thick of 'em?

If your "greater purpose" of preserving monuments (erected in the early 1900s to promote white supremacy) is compatible with marching alongside neo-Nazis and "Jews will not replace us" chanters then you are rightly and fairly counted among the neo-Nazis and white nationalists.

It should be cause for reevaluating your presence in a group with its own apparent white extremist problems:

Source: For the Virginia Flaggers, It�s Hate, Not Heritage. Kevin M. Levin. The Daily Beast. 2017.04.13

The organization has enjoyed steady coverage by local media outlets over the last five years, but few reporters have looked closely at Flagger membership or the individuals and organizations with which it has found common cause. Some of these individuals are directly connected with White Nationalist groups such as the League of the South, which openly promote white supremacy. Such a close association blurs the lines between legitimate concerns for the preservation of history and heritage and the racial politics of the present.

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--Sam

You're relying on a comments section? Sam, you used to be better than this.

ETA: So did Newsweek, fwiw.

[lilpixieofterror]

Where was the presence of the Flaggers? Apart from the marchers and neo-Nazis or there in the thick of 'em?

If your "greater purpose" of preserving monuments (erected in the early 1900s to promote white supremacy) is compatible with marching alongside neo-Nazis and "Jews will not replace us" chanters then you are rightly and fairly counted among the neo-Nazis and white nationalists.

It should be cause for reevaluating your presence in a group with its own apparent white extremist problems:

Source: For the Virginia Flaggers, It�s Hate, Not Heritage. Kevin M. Levin. The Daily Beast. 2017.04.13

The organization has enjoyed steady coverage by local media outlets over the last five years, but few reporters have looked closely at Flagger membership or the individuals and organizations with which it has found common cause. Some of these individuals are directly connected with White Nationalist groups such as the League of the South, which openly promote white supremacy. Such a close association blurs the lines between legitimate concerns for the preservation of history and heritage and the racial politics of the present.

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--Sam

[Mountain Man]

When asked why it took him so long to blast neo-nazis his answer is:

Based on the man's history with making quick, unthoughtful and often false statements I am not sure I feel too cartain I would trust that explanation...

Another lie from the left. As you can see from the transcript, he unequivocally condemned Neo-Nazis and white nationalists on the spot in the same press conference that liberals have disingenuously plucked the "very fine people" statement from.

[Sam]

You're relying on a comments section? Sam, you used to be better than this.

ETA: So did Newsweek, fwiw.

There's a saying from a good movie:

The Rabbi: My father used to say: "The first time someone calls you a horse you punch him on the nose, the second time someone calls you a horse you call him a jerk but the third time someone calls you a horse, well then perhaps it's time to go shopping for a saddle.

And, with relatively little research, stuff like this just keeps appearing:

Source:

Update: Virginia Flaggers were led down the streets of Lexington by a member of the League of the South.

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You have to go to archive.org to get the page but the man is Gregory Randall, who publicly said he was a member of League of the South in 2015.

[Charles]

Another lie from the left. As you can see from the transcript, he unequivocally condemned Neo-Nazis and white nationalists on the spot in the same press conference that liberals have disingenuously plucked the "very fine people" statement from.

I was not adressing the question but Trump's answer. I don't assume you want to call Trump's answer another lie from the left?

[Mountain Man]

When asked why it took him so long to blast neo-nazis his answer is:

Based on the man's history with making quick, unthoughtful and often false statements I am not sure I feel too cartain I would trust that explanation...

Trump's entire statement:

That sounds perfectly reasonable.

But then Chuck says that Trump usually talks off the cuff... so he's condemned for talking off the cuff, and condemned for taking his time to get the facts first.

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[Sam]

Another lie from the left. As you can see from the transcript, he unequivocally condemned Neo-Nazis and white nationalists on the spot in the same press conference that liberals have disingenuously plucked the "very fine people" statement from.

The press conference occurred on August 15, three days after the Unite the Right rally and the murder of Heather Heyer. Trump had been silent on the issue through the interim, which is why he was asked why he took so long to respond.

Can't tell truth from lies if you're ignorant of the timeline.

--Sam

[Bill the Cat]

Where was the presence of the Flaggers?

Across the street from the statue.

Apart from the marchers and neo-Nazis or there in the thick of 'em?

They were where their permit allowed them to be, and they did what they requested to do. Peacefully protest the removal of a statue. That you CONTINUE to insinuate they were "counted with them" is on you, and again, a sin.

If your "greater purpose" of preserving monuments

I.E. exercising their First Amendment right to peacefully assemble in defense of a monument in a public park that should have been protected due to being on the National Register of Historic Places.

(erected in the early 1900s to promote white supremacy)

Some see it as promoting the history of Virginia, warts and all.

is compatible with marching alongside neo-Nazis and "Jews will not replace us" chanters then you are rightly and fairly counted among the neo-Nazis and white nationalists.

Maybe by leftist turds like you...

It should be cause for reevaluating your presence in a group with its own apparent white extremist problems:

Oh noes... the COMMENT SECTION!!!

Source: For the Virginia Flaggers, It�s Hate, Not Heritage. Kevin M. Levin. The Daily Beast. 2017.04.13

The organization has enjoyed steady coverage by local media outlets over the last five years, but few reporters have looked closely at Flagger membership or the individuals and organizations with which it has found common cause. Some of these individuals are directly connected with White Nationalist groups such as the League of the South, which openly promote white supremacy. Such a close association blurs the lines between legitimate concerns for the preservation of history and heritage and the racial politics of the present.

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--Sam

The Daily Beast???? You're on a roll there Sammich. "Some" of these individuals...

Your level of outrage is pathetic.

[Mountain Man]

The press conference occurred on August 15, three days after the Unite the Right rally and the murder of Heather Heyer. Trump had been silent on the issue through the interim, which is why he was asked why he took so long to respond.

Can't tell truth from lies if you're ignorant of the timeline.

--Sam

The lie is that Trump didn't condemn them quickly enough.

[Mountain Man]

The Daily Beast???? You're on a roll there Sammich. "Some" of these individuals...

Your level of outrage is pathetic.

Anything to preserve the lie that Trump called Neo-Nazis "very fine people" by erasing the line dividing them from the peaceful protestors.

[Bill the Cat]

Anything to preserve the lie that Trump called Neo-Nazis "very fine people" by erasing the line dividing them from the peaceful protestors.

I'd love to know what Sammich would do if he found out someone in his church worked for the Family Research Council.

[oxmixmudd]

Yes there was! They are called the Virginia Flaggers. That you are willfully ignorant of their attendance is solely on you. And now that you've been told by someone with more direct knowledge, repeating your lie is willful, and therefore, sinful.



Not if you have a greater purpose for being there. Attending DESPITE the ignoramuses is a rather courageous thing to do.

I'm pretty much with Sam here. There is no way to hang out hear nazis and wa at a rally of their making and with a cause of a similar nature and not be identified with them. You have to be found in the crowd against them or you're going to be perceived as being with them.

[Bill the Cat]

I'm pretty much with Sam here.

There is no way to hang out hear nazis and wa at a rally of their making and with a cause of a similar nature and not be identified with them. You have to be found in the crowd against them or you're going to be perceived as being with them.

If you are somewhere with a purpose that you are committed to, persevering there DESPITE people who are there for a different reason (and yes their reasons were different despite you and Sam's mistaken "similar nature" claims) is quite courageous.

[Mountain Man]

I'd love to know what Sammich would do if he found out someone in his church worked for the Family Research Council.

For that matter, I'm waiting for him to openly condemn Jaecp who has admitted to being a member of Antifa but has attempted to distinguish himself from the hoodlums who are the most prominent members of that group. According to Sam, such distinctions aren't allowed.