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Real Clear Average - Polling for Support of Impeachment
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Originally posted by Sam View PostLast edited by lilpixieofterror; 12-19-2019, 06:16 AM."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Sam View PostYou don't see the double standard in first saying that Nixon's Actual Crime was burglary, despite that not being an article of impeachment, because he was "connected to an ACTUAL CRIME" and then turning around incredulously asking why, if Trump is connected to several potential crimes here, they're not articles of impeachment?
You can't see that you're holding two mutually exclusive standards there?
--Sam
The fact is that there were ACTUAL CRIMES, and NO POTUS has EVER been removed by the Senate.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostToday, after the impeachment vote, RCP show 48% against, 47.2% for - and the direction trending quickly against.
Dems will be slaughtered in 2020The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostA lot can happen between now and the election - Remember, Trump's worst enemy is with him everywhere he goes, and every time he looks in the mirror.
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostToday, after the impeachment vote, RCP show 48% against, 47.2% for - and the direction trending quickly against.
Dems will be slaughtered in 2020
impeach.jpgThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostI disagree. His #1 enemy is the media. Granted, he doesn't do himself any favors with his Twitter account.
nevermind.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostMouthThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostTotally beside the point - if you'd like to start a thread on that, please feel free to do so, but I honestly don't care.
The fact is that there were ACTUAL CRIMES, and NO POTUS has EVER been removed by the Senate.
The closest analogy, by far, is Nixon and Terraceth noted earlier that Nixon resigned rather than face a trial in the Senate. So the relevant questions are 1) did Nixon deserve to be impeached and removed and 2) if so, on what factual basis is Trump different? Did Nixon abuse his power obstructing Congress and covering up the Watergate break-in? Did Trump abuse his power obstructing Congress and covering up a pressure campaign against Ukraine for his political benefit?
Seems pretty straight to the point, actually.
--Sam"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Sam View PostAs here, there are "ACTUAL CRIMES"...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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