Majority of Republicans polled think Trump better than Lincoln

[simplicio]

It would be good to note (since I think I'm the one who brought this up in the first place) that 'social engineering' today is not the same context in which I used it.

Today, it means using non-technical means to get what hackers want.



There's also social engineering in political science, and in sociology.

I was referring (and when I use the term, intend to refer) to the sociological sense in which, for example, 'education' introduces a fear of 'the coming ice age' or 'overpopulation' or other things to influence society to be more accepting of birth control, abortion, euthanasia, same-sex marriage, etc...

I doubt that anyone confused the context as personal security.

The civil rights legislation was designed to influence society to be accepting of equality of rights. And it was successful.

[Cow Poke]

I doubt that anyone confused the context as personal security.

Just pointing out there are at least 3 different contexts in which the term is used.

The civil rights legislation was designed to influence society to be accepting of equality of rights. And it was successful.

I don't believe that was so much "social engineering" as it was a grassroots effort started by the likes or Rosa Parks, The Tuskegee Airmen, Martin Luther King and others.

[simplicio]

Just pointing out there are at least 3 different contexts in which the term is used.



I don't believe that was so much "social engineering" as it was a grassroots effort started by the likes or Rosa Parks, The Tuskegee Airmen, Martin Luther King and others.

So the civil rights movement started in the forties and fifties?

Maybe it is a good thing that most states dictate some of the curricula, such as black history month.

The civil rights movement started much earlier, the actors which you named were just the ones who became popular and accepted by a large segment of this country.

[Cow Poke]

So the civil rights movement started in the forties and fifties?

Most movements don't start on a specific date - they tend to be an accumulation of events that move..... that's why it's called a "movement".

Maybe it is a good thing that most states dictate some of the curricula, such as black history month.

Yeah, sure.

The civil rights movement started much earlier, the actors which you named were just the ones who became popular and accepted by a large segment of this country.

Which is exactly why I said "the likes of" and "and others".

[Leonhard]

I've lived all over Texas and haven't run into a single person who hates Lincoln. Never heard any such thing.

I think, judging from the Confederate Flag thread, that he's talking about the KKK.

I just don't think the KKK are that big anymore.

[Teallaura]

I think, judging from the Confederate Flag thread, that he's talking about the KKK.

I just don't think the KKK are that big anymore.

True story: Fall 1981, standing in the cafeteria line in a Southern state university, overheard the two black guys in line behind me talking about the Klan. They agreed it was a joke.

It's not even that anymore.

[simplicio]

True story: Fall 1981, standing in the cafeteria line in a Southern state university, overheard the two black guys in line behind me talking about the Klan. They agreed it was a joke.

It's not even that anymore.

No, they are not that big anymore. But they were never all that big, yet they still managed to gain influence, because of the number of "fellow travelers" or those sympathetic to its ideas and ideals. In the same way, the overt racism of the klan has largely disappeared, yet racism has not.
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[Cow Poke]

No, they are not that big anymore. But they were never all that big, yet they still managed to gain influence, because of the number of "fellow travelers" or those sympathetic to its ideas and ideals. In the same way, the overt racism of the klan has largely disappeared, yet racism has not.
or

Don't leave me hanging, bro ---- or WHAT?

[shunyadragon]

True story: Fall 1981, standing in the cafeteria line in a Southern state university, overheard the two black guys in line behind me talking about the Klan. They agreed it was a joke.

It's not even that anymore.

The Klan is alive and well in North Carolina.

[Cow Poke]

The Klan is alive and well in North Carolina.

I would hardly call an opinion piece by a "contributing columnist" proof that the Klan was "alive and well".

It sounds like "the Klan" snuck into town like the cowards they are in the middle of the night, and scattered like roaches when the sun (both literally and metaphorically) came up.

[One Bad Pig]

I would hardly call an opinion piece by a "contributing columnist" proof that the Klan was "alive and well".

It sounds like "the Klan" snuck into town like the cowards they are in the middle of the night, and scattered like roaches when the sun (both literally and metaphorically) came up.

"Small caravan" from "one of the largest groups in the country"? They're YUGE, I'm tellin' ya!

[JimL]

Don't leave me hanging, bro ---- or WHAT?

[Cow Poke]

"Small caravan" from "one of the largest groups in the country"? They're YUGE, I'm tellin' ya!

And I have "vivid and painful memories of black churches being burned in my own state when I was a child

[Mountain Man]

And I have "vivid and painful memories of black churches being burned in my own state when I was a child

And how about the numerous race crime hoaxes that have cropped up in recent years?

[Sparko]

"Small caravan" from "one of the largest groups in the country"? They're YUGE, I'm tellin' ya!

According to this report there are only about 3,000 Klan members in the whole USA and their numbers are declining.

https://www.adl.org/sites/default/fi...f-kkk-2016.pdf