The Ukraine scandal timeline Democrats... don�t want America to see

[firstfloor]

I posted an article, Jim, with very little commentary on my part to see how whoever would respond. The TrumpHaters will respond one way - usually quite reactionary (like you) - while the conservatives will most likely support it. I like to see the reactions. I like to see the reasoning behind the attacks / defenses.



I don't think we know the entirety of this thing yet. I don't think you know half of what you think you know. But this I know -- you will see it in whatever light makes Trump look the absolute worst.

[Watermelon]

Insisting it's been debunked. Calling it a conspiracy theory. Calling it Russian disinfo propaganda. Claiming Solomon is a discredited journalist. Threatening that Graham will "regret" the investigation. I've never seen so much smoke related to one subject that has yet to be investigated.

[seanD]

You have two sides arguing two different things. If the side that says Biden is corrupt is right, then all the resistance we're seeing against an investigation is clear evidence of a cover-up. Frankly, I don't think anyone in the senate was that privy to it until the Dems started the impeachment investigation. That probably opened up a lot of doors to evidence that no one knew about prior. Senators like graham started poking around, start finding suspicious activity, and here we are.

IMO the resistance is all I need to suspect a cover-up. If Biden and his crackhead son are innocent, then why get mad about it? Why make veiled threats? He should welcome an investigation, because then that would not only keep the Reps occupied with nonsense, but would make the Reps look like bullies and make him look like a martyr, thus a more favorable election candidate. Look what it's doing to Trump -- totally backfiring in his favor. It backfired in his favor in 2016 and it will likely backfire again.

[Juvenal]

What's missing from Solomon's timeline is the letter from Shokin's office given directly to Burisma, clearing him, ending the UK investigation, and adding to the extensive evidence of corruption that made Shokin's removal a priority to the US, the IMF, and the European community.

What's missing from your source checking is the fact Solomon Reports is the love child of his forced removal from the Hill's reporting ranks, his subsequent resignation, and his history at the Moonie Times.

If you'd just stick to preaching, you could avoid making Christianity look like the first choice of religions for chumps.

This has been extensively reported, but you're a goober, so you're going to keep on sucking up the stories that make ya feel good, not the stories that are good for you. And don't whine. Please, don't whine. We've tried saying this politely before, and you just blow it off.

Go ahead and queue up the counter-attacks and quote mines, your go-to defenses when you're busted dirty, but at the end of the day, we both know it's just you pushing apologetics for partisans, when you could be pushing back against them in defense of the way and the truth.

This is your life, now.

Explainer: Biden, allies pushed out Ukrainian prosecutor because he didn't pursue corruption cases
Courtney Subramanian
USA TODAY



Politics
Top House Democrat says ethics probe of Nunes is likely over alleged meeting with Ukrainian about Bidens
By Rosalind S. Helderman and Colby Itkowitz
November 23, 2019 at 7:47 p.m. EST

Nunes doesn't have the majority to shield himself from an ethics probe this time. But it's his evil companions who are more relevant to this thread.

All of Solomon's primary sources on the "Biden scandal" are corrupt. Two have been indicted, one is under investigation by the FBI, and another is heading for yet another ethics investigation.

[Cow Poke]

What's missing from Solomon's timeline is the letter from Shokin's office given directly to Burisma, clearing him, ending the UK investigation, and adding to the extensive evidence of corruption that made Shokin's removal a priority to the US, the IMF, and the European community.

What's missing from your source checking is the fact Solomon Reports is the love child of his forced removal from the Hill's reporting ranks, his subsequent resignation, and his history at the Moonie Times.

If you'd just stick to preaching, you could avoid making Christianity look like the first choice of religions for chumps.

This has been extensively reported, but you're a goober, so you're going to keep on sucking up the stories that make ya feel good, not the stories that are good for you. And don't whine. Please, don't whine. We've tried saying this politely before, and you just blow it off.

Go ahead and queue up the counter-attacks and quote mines, your go-to defenses when you're busted dirty, but at the end of the day, we both know it's just you pushing apologetics for partisans, when you could be pushing back against them in defense of the way and the truth.

This is your life, now.

Explainer: Biden, allies pushed out Ukrainian prosecutor because he didn't pursue corruption cases
Courtney Subramanian
USA TODAY



Politics
Top House Democrat says ethics probe of Nunes is likely over alleged meeting with Ukrainian about Bidens
By Rosalind S. Helderman and Colby Itkowitz
November 23, 2019 at 7:47 p.m. EST

Nunes doesn't have the majority to shield himself from an ethics probe this time. But it's his evil companions who are more relevant to this thread.

All of Solomon's primary sources on the "Biden scandal" are corrupt. Two have been indicted, one is under investigation by the FBI, and another is heading for yet another ethics investigation.

Wow, I read the first two paragraphs, and started to think, "hmmm, something of substance".....

Then it turned into your typical....

Thanks, Juvie, for never disappointing.

[Mountain Man]

Wow, I read the first two paragraphs, and started to think, "hmmm, something of substance".....

Then it turned into your typical....

Thanks, Juvie, for never disappointing.

There's this line from his USA Today reference:

It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.

Shokin's inaction prompted international calls for his ouster and ultimately resulted in his removal by Ukraine's parliament.

Which brings to mind the interview Rudy Giuliani had with George Staphylococcus where the latter repeated the same talking point, and Giuliani immediately fired back, "Where's the evidence that he was corrupt?" George, of course, didn't have an answer.

Furthermore, we know for a fact that Shokin's investigation was active as late as February 2016 (Mykola Zlochevsky is the founder of Burisma):

according to published reports in Ukraine.

https://johnsolomonreports.com/hunte...ns-memos-show/

[seanD]

There's this line from his USA Today reference:

It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.

Shokin's inaction prompted international calls for his ouster and ultimately resulted in his removal by Ukraine's parliament.

Which brings to mind the interview Rudy Giuliani had with George Staphylococcus where the latter repeated the same talking point, and Giuliani immediately fired back, "Where's the evidence that he was corrupt?" George, of course, didn't have an answer.

Furthermore, we know for a fact that Shokin's investigation was active as late as February 2016 (Mykola Zlochevsky is the founder of Burisma):

according to published reports in Ukraine.

https://johnsolomonreports.com/hunte...ns-memos-show/

So if Shokin was inactive, who then was behind the seizure of Zlochevsky's assets? Or was that article written by a Russian bot!

[oxmixmudd]

I posted an article, Jim, with very little commentary on my part to see how whoever would respond. The TrumpHaters will respond one way - usually quite reactionary (like you) - while the conservatives will most likely support it. I like to see the reactions. I like to see the reasoning behind the attacks / defenses.

Uh huh ... let's look at that title again ...

"The Ukraine Scandal timeline the democrats ... don't want Americans to see"

And you're only comment is supportive:

And he lays it all out with extensive backup.

Nah. You may not want to own your implicit support of the article - but you are supporting the ideas in it by how you are posting it and commenting on it. By how you opened the dialogue on it. If you don't support what's in it, you need to present some evidence of that fact.

I don't think we know the entirety of this thing yet. I don't think you know half of what you think you know. But this I know -- you will see it in whatever light makes Trump look the absolute worst.

Trump almost always looks bad because he IS bad. When someone IS bad, you can expect a lot of people to be opposed to him and to say bad things about him. Because he has done lots of bad things and to comment on what he has done is to say bad things about him.

You need to get off the fence CP. Trump is bad. And you can't pretend to think he is bad and then continue to post articles that support him and continuously argue for him and deride those that oppose him for legitimate reasons.

Your constant derision of those that criticize Trump for legitimate reasons is what tells the the only real story about what you think of Donald Tump. The rest of your claims have no objective support.

[Cow Poke]

Uh huh ... let's look at that title again ...

"The Ukraine Scandal timeline the democrats ... don't want Americans to see"

And you're only comment is supportive:

You mean where I say he lays it out with extensive backup, because he laid it out with extensive backup?

Nah. You may not want to own how your implicit support of the article - but you are supporting the ideas in it by how you are posting it and commenting on it. By how you opened the dialogue on it. If you don't support what's in it, you need to present some evidence of that fact.

It's there for discussion, Jim. Nobody is forcing you to be in this thread. There are plenty of "I HATE TRUMP" threads in which you can pontificate.

[firstfloor]

https://www.motherjones.com/politics...raine-scandal/

[Cow Poke]

You need to get off the fence CP.

I'm not on any fence, Jim. Trump is not my hero, my role model, my favorite or my first choice. But he's who we have.

There are legitimate processes for his removal, and it's ultimately up to the American people. If he is impeached and removed, I'm ready for President Pence.

I trust the Lord my God. Trump could not be President without God allowing it.

For whatever reason, HE has allowed Trump to be in power at this time in history.

You are not wiser or smarter than God, Jim. Rant and rave and stomp and holler however much you want, but you are accomplishing NOTHING.

All you're doing is allowing Satan to drive a wedge between you and your fellow Christians. On this issue, you are in league with the anti-Christian bigots, atheists, agnostics....

Until God removes Trump - either by impeachment, national election, or by His own mysterious ways - I will continue to pray for him.

But, please, do rage on! Just be sure to take your high blood pressure meds, OK?

[oxmixmudd]

I'm not on any fence, Jim. Trump is not my hero, my role model, my favorite or my first choice. But he's who we have.

There are legitimate processes for his removal, and it's ultimately up to the American people. If he is impeached and removed, I'm ready for President Pence.

I trust the Lord my God. Trump could not be President without God allowing it.

For whatever reason, HE has allowed Trump to be in power at this time in history.

You are not wiser or smarter than God, Jim. Rant and rave and stomp and holler however much you want, but you are accomplishing NOTHING.

All you're doing is allowing Satan to drive a wedge between you and your fellow Christians. On this issue, you are in league with the anti-Christian bigots, atheists, agnostics....

Until God removes Trump - either by impeachment, national election, or by His own mysterious ways - I will continue to pray for him.

But, please, do rage on! Just be sure to take your high blood pressure meds, OK?

Like I said, your constant derision of those that oppose Trump for legitimate reasons tells the only real story about where you actually stand on these issues.

[Mountain Man]

https://www.motherjones.com/politics...raine-scandal/

Thank you for posting that. It was a helpful reminder of why I don't bother reading Mother Jones.

[Cow Poke]

Like I said, your constant derision of those that oppose Trump for legitimate reasons tells the only real story about where you actually stand on these issues.

I told you were I stand, Jim - you can be obstinate and not believe me, or call me a liar, or just continue to spew forth your attacks - it doesn't really bother me at all. Hate on, brother!

[seanD]

Thank you for posting that. It was a helpful reminder of why I don't bother reading Mother Jones.

Just more of the same smear and deflection away from the obvious question: If Shokin was lax about the investigation, which is being claimed by the "Biden extorted Ukraine to get Shokin fired because he was lax" crowd, then why was Zlochevsky's assets seized just before Shokin was ousted. It's "don't look over there, look here!" -- Giuliani, Soros, Manafort, far right conspiracy theorists...