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Sondland admits quid pro quo
My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19Tags: None
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Let's quote his actual words, shall we?
"After a large meeting, I now recall speaking individually with Mr. Yermak, where I said that resumption of U.S. aid would likely not occur until Ukraine provided the public anti-corruption statement that we had been discussing for many weeks. I presumed that the aid suspension had become linked to the proposed anticorruption statement..."
Emphasi mine.
The first takeaway is that presumptions are not evidence.
And the second is that this statement implies that he was never directed by the Trump administration to make this proposal.Last edited by Mountain Man; 11-05-2019, 04:50 PM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
Maybe this?
US Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland sent the committee a three-page addition to his testimony on Monday,Last edited by Cow Poke; 11-05-2019, 04:27 PM.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostLet's quote his actual words, shall we?
"After a large meeting, I now recall speaking individually with Mr. Yermak, where I said that resumption of U.S. aid would likely not occur until Ukraine provided the public anti-corruption statement that we had been discussing for many weeks. I presumed that the aid suspension had become linked to the proposed anticorruption statement..."
Emphasi mine.
The first takeaway is that presumptions are not evidence.
And the second is that this statement implies that he was never directed by the Trump administration to make this proposal.
Yeah, rock solid!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Other sketchy statements from Sondland's "corrections" (again, emphasis mine):
"I always believed that suspending aid to Ukraine was ill-advised, although I did not know (and still do not know) when, why, or by whom the aid was suspended. However, by the beginning of September 2019, and in the absence of any credible explanation for the suspension of aid, I presumed that the aid suspension had become linked to the proposed anti-corruption statement. As I said in my prepared testimony, security aid to Ukraine was in our vital national interest and should not have been delayed for any reason. [This is nothing but his opinion. -MM] And it would have been natural for me to have voiced what I had presumed to Ambassador Taylor, Senator Johnson, the Ukrainians, and Mr. Morrison."
An awful lot of presuming going on. He also says "it would have been natural" for him to voice his concerns to interested parties, but pay attention to sleight of hand: He never says that he actually voiced his concerns!
"Soon thereafter, I came to understand [Meaning he wasn't told. -MM] that, in fact, the public statement would need to come directly from President Zelensky himself. I do not specifically recall how I learned this [Again, the implication is that he wasn't told. -MM], but I believe that the information may have come either from Mr. Giuliani or from Ambassador Volkor, who may have discussed this with Mr. Giuliani."
Remember, any time a witness says "may have", you can substitute "may not have" without changing the meaning of the statement.
"In a later conversation with Ambassador Taylor, I told him that I had been mistaken about whether a public statement could come from the Prosecutor General; I had come to understand [The implication, again, is that this isn't something he was told. -MM] that the public statement would have to come from President Zelensky himself."
Now see if you can follow along with this one:
"Ambassador Taylor recalls that Mr. Morrison told Ambassador Taylor that I told Mr. Morrison that I had conveyed this message to Mr. Yermak..."
That's like something out of a Marx Bros. skit!
And on it goes. Taking apart testimony like this is like batting practice for defense attorneys.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAnd on it goes. Taking apart testimony like this is like batting practice for defense attorneys.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWhen you have statements that were made at the time, texts, emails..... vs "oh, yeah, I just remembered".... and, as you point out, the current version is "presumed", not "knew" or "know".Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Interesting...
In their rush to accuse the Trump administration of wrongdoing, Democrats and the media have overlooked one other key fact: the crucial August 2019 PoliticoSeptemberhttps://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...-quid-pro-quo/Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAnd "I learned" and "I came to believe" as opposed to "I was told".The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostInteresting...
In their rush to accuse the Trump administration of wrongdoing, Democrats and the media have overlooked one other key fact: the crucial August 2019 PoliticoSeptemberhttps://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...-quid-pro-quo/My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostLast edited by Tassman; 11-05-2019, 11:52 PM.
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Last edited by Teallaura; 11-06-2019, 12:15 AM."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostI'm just laughing and laughing. I called your tack on this. Nailed it. You all are just absolutely linked at the hip to Trump, and he is just the wrong person to sacrifice yourselves for.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYour inability to look at any of this objectively and rationally and arrive at a reasonable fact-based conclusion is noted. I'm picturing you doubled over with the high-pitchef hysterical laugh of someone who has lost his senses.
The facts are that Trump was using US aid, almost 400 million of it, to buy dirt on a political rival.
And yet you support and excuse it.
What more needs to be said.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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